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But a mature adult like Ian, what we would consider almost middle-aged in human terms, would see that immature behavior and think "geez, what are you, seventeen?".

Except the half-elves have shown to also have a slower psychological maturation, else Meji wouldn't have had any problems with her grandfather forcing her to follow the normal pace of education in Tsuiraku.

So if Meji is the equivalent of a 12-14 year old human, then Ian would be the equivalent of an 20 year old. Far from middle-aged, or mature.


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Meji is 17. So who is saying "Er... sixteen... actually?" And why?


Don't chicks always claim to be younger than they actually are? "Wow, these two guessed my age correctly like Ian did. Only I feel no sexual attraction to them (*cue fanboy weeping*) to admit that, so I'll tell them they were off by a bit."


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Don't chicks always claim to be younger than they actually are? "Wow, these two guessed my age correctly like Ian did. Only I feel no sexual attraction to them (*cue fanboy weeping*) to admit that, so I'll tell them they were off by a bit."

I thought that was for when they passed 20 or so, while they tend to claim to be older before that.

Anyway, during the incident back in the library, Ian was the one that offered the two options, 17 and 18. So it would be natural for her to repeat the first one, since it was so close to her actual age, slightly above, rather than provide the correct age which would mean not only would she have to 'mess' with the flow of the conversation, but also go against the innate desire to look older.


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Actually, there is further evidence that Meji is seventeen. Sixteen appears to be the anomaly here.


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It seems poe edited out the 16 part, but left the other wierdly placed word ballons...

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Humn... if Meji's 17, Ian's around 34, and had a crush on Riley growing up... Someone's pushing eighty?

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My guess is that half elves develop at a normal rate for a nine month gestation but age slower and slower at every successive year of life. Pureblood elves would almost have to do something similar, if perhaps with a steeper rate of slowing, since I can't see them having thousand year gestation periods and being in daipers for most of human history.

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My guess is that half elves develop at a normal rate for a nine month gestation but age slower and slower at every successive year of life. Pureblood elves would almost have to do something similar, if perhaps with a steeper rate of slowing, since I can't see them having thousand year gestation periods and being in daipers for most of human history.

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Its a different setting but in DnD the Elf pregnancy lasts 24 months (2 years) and they don't become adults for around 110 years, half elves become adults around 20 (no idea of the gestation period. In this setting I'd be inclined to say that the half elfen aging rate is about 3/4 as in Meiji is 17 but looks around 13-14. When they reach adult hood it may slow down more but that would mean the one we saw at the start had been in that area for around 45 years worth of aging. I'm not sure if he looked appropriate to that have to go back and check. If we assume a chronological age of mid 30's for Ian he'd look mid 20's. And if we assume Riley (like to know were people get all this information) was someone he had a crush on she could be his baby sitter and in the mid 40's early 50's.

Leah = 50-60ish? I wonder if she these two have half-elven blood (I think Riley was confirmed by the fact she didn't get a change when younger and confused and Leah did have that nasty untreated cough).
Riley= 48 (assuming a 16 year old baby sitting a child if it was just an older girl she could be younger)
Ian = 34
Meiji = 17

If all have half elven blood then by a 3/4 ratio Leah would look mid 30's early 40's and riley would look mid 30's. Hmmmmm does seem a little old for their appearance so maybe half elves do slow down after puberty.

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Just double checked the earlier strips they are talking about the war having started 2 years ago when Sarine's fairly far along in her pregnancy if that means anything. Darren definately doesn't look 65+ so unless he was born 65 years ago half elven aging would probably slow down dramatically after puberty given what we know abou Meiji and Ian (age/appearance).


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Baby cattle and sheep rock in comparison to baby humans. They can actually walk right from birth.
A human baby can shit, scream, and suck on a titty. Thats about it.

Could you imagine being born an elf and being stuck in the deformed, useless body of an infant for a literal eternity. The titty-sucking part might be fun, but everything would get old real fast. You wouldn't ever see an elf get to the point where they could even walk without them having already gone batshit insane centuries ago.

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Not really I hate to sound insensitve but look at the human condition we have children who physically age at a far faster rate than their mind does (genetic abnormality) and others whose mind develops at a far slower rate than their body or stops developing entirely. Its quite possible in my opinion for someone who is mentally AND physically a child for x decades to have been quite happy that way particularlly if its the norm and all their friends are the same.

To use a poor metaphor take your average 13 year old girl or boy do you really think they'll be getting frustrated if they can keep doing the things they like with their friends for 20-30 years? It already happens its just that their interests change as they develop mentally if they remain the same age category wouldn't they be happy like that? Particularly if their parents/other adults aren't pressuring them to go out and act their age?

The only way I can see them going mad is if the mind and body don't develop at the same rate which may be why the half-elven Errants did go nuts, they're mind was developing at a human rate but their body was still that of a child or vice-versa.


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Senko wrote:
Its a different setting but in DnD the Elf pregnancy lasts 24 months (2 years) and they don't become adults for around 110 years, half elves become adults around 20 (no idea of the gestation period.

According to Races of the Wild, as I recall, Elves reach sexual maturity around age 20 but aren't considered adults until around 110.


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Its a different setting but in DnD the Elf pregnancy lasts 24 months (2 years) and they don't become adults for around 110 years, half elves become adults around 20 (no idea of the gestation period.

According to Races of the Wild, as I recall, Elves reach sexual maturity around age 20 but aren't considered adults until around 110.


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Legal or not, elves have a habit of filling you with arrows for even doing something mildly frowned upon.

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But a mature adult like Ian, what we would consider almost middle-aged in human terms, would see that immature behavior and think "geez, what are you, seventeen?".

Except the half-elves have shown to also have a slower psychological maturation, else Meji wouldn't have had any problems with her grandfather forcing her to follow the normal pace of education in Tsuiraku.

So if Meji is the equivalent of a 12-14 year old human, then Ian would be the equivalent of an 20 year old. Far from middle-aged, or mature.


I had figured that Meji's objection to being with kids her own (chronological) age was that she was so far behind them in her apparent physical age, i.e. she doesn't like being the littlest one in class. There's no real reason why someone who physically grows more slowly would develop more slowly mentally, and Meji certainly doesn't seem to have any actual *problem* keeping up with her classwork... she's just lazy. In fact I believe that was the entire subject of conversation in one of the first pages.

So Meji is physically around 13 but chronologically and mentally 17, while Ian is physically around 20 (maybe 26, to keep with the 2x factor?) but chronologically and mentally around 34. Either way, there's a big mental and physical difference there.

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I came up with a nifty equation for half elf ages for a novel I was going to write four or five years ago. I tried it on Meji's (17) and Ian's (34) ages and it gives an OK estimate to human years.

This equation is based on the theory that the first five years of a humanoids life demands them to grow up fast. These are the five years were most of them are really mentally developed enough to take care of themselves for more than ten minutes.

After this period of life, elvish (and half elvish) development slows down. Human development keeps up the fast pace seen in the first five years.

For half elves:

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Equivalent human age = [(Actual age - 5) / 2] + 5 


For Meji, the equation spits out 11 and for Ian, the equation spits out 19.5. A bit young compared to some of our estimates, but some girls do develop faster than others.

If anyone can think of a better way of formating that, let me know. Don't post math formulas online often.

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Labrat wrote:
My guess is that half elves develop at a normal rate for a nine month gestation but age slower and slower at every successive year of life. Pureblood elves would almost have to do something similar, if perhaps with a steeper rate of slowing, since I can't see them having thousand year gestation periods and being in daipers for most of human history.


You know what that sounds like?

Plot device.

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had figured that Meji's objection to being with kids her own (chronological) age was that she was so far behind them in her apparent physical age, i.e. she doesn't like being the littlest one in class. There's no real reason why someone who physically grows more slowly would develop more slowly mentally, and Meji certainly doesn't seem to have any actual *problem* keeping up with her classwork... she's just lazy. In fact I believe that was the entire subject of conversation in one of the first pages.

http://www.errantstory.com/archive.php?date=2004-08-23

He said there is no reason why I couldn't do what a regular kid my age could do... In fact, that I ought to be even better at it.

This implies to me that she was having problems not just with the social stuff, but also with learning. IMO she only got through it cause she is in fact very talented and intelligent. Her laziness would be a result of <insert psychoanalytic crap here>.


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I'd forgotten that but your right and it supports what I was saying a human develops from birth to adulthood in around 20 years mentally, emotionally and phsyically but a different race can have markedly different rates of development. Meiji as seen in that strip and the one before it develops slower than humans and probably only managed to get where she is today because she is so much more intelligent than the average person that she was able to handle it in the end but there's no telling how much it messed up her development in the process. Note the comment by her grandfather about Meji making friends with "someone her own age for a change" implying she had more in common interest and emotion wise with those her actual age rather than her chronological one if you see what I mean.

Also it may be just me but I kind of get the vibe from that conversation at the end their friendship is slowly deteriating or at least changing because Banji is an adult and Meiji isn't so their interests are heading in different directions.


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