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 Post subject: 3/21/07 Wipe them all out
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So it wasn't a person sent by the monks that actually learned about it, but a nun by pure coincidence got the info.

At least they take some terminal actions to counter, excellent

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Wins by a minute, and this explains a lot of things. I'm curious about that nun though.

And it seems like, while she's still seriously underestimating the Gehwer (or maybe just Jon), the Gehwer won't be around much longer anyway.

Either way, the fan is about to get shat upon.

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Only two monks are being sent to carry out the extermination? Hubris is an ornery son of a bitch.

The wraiths hopfully know that it was a set up by now. I fully expect them to be as ready as is humanly possible for the order.


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Several monks. I'd guess five or six.

"How did two monks lose to one elf?" Because it wasn't just an elf. It was an elf... and an assassin.


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I see it more like "beat by two years of seniority" :-)

Well, they aren't going to wipe all of the Gewehr[Gevær in danish] completely, at least not at first, only those that have ventured into their sphere of interest. I am also considering how battle knowledgable is this nun, meaning how accurate can her description be?!

I say that there will be a monkhunt for retrieving Sara or killing her, can't have trained monks running around outside of the orders control

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Mista_B wrote:
I'm curious about that nun though.


Yeah, as in a Gewehr member masquerading as a nun in order to observe and report the outcome. At least I would be sure to do something like that if I were the Gewehr looking at a possible trap and desiring information on the adversary.

So why feed information to the Ensigerum? What better way to worm into the Ensigerum's confidence to gain information on the Order? And the information is probably cleansed, anyway.




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Gewehr[Gevær in danish]

This is totally sweet. Multilingual Errant Story!


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How indeed...

Warrell was an arrogant careless son of a bitch, and Sara doesn't know proper self-defense techniques when pinned by a bar (IE: her weapon).

That and they need to stop leaving the somewhat safer confines of walls/ground/cielings, where they can push off into different directions and avoid projectiles.

In fact, stop jumping in the air at all. Just, don't.

I mean hell that's why they both lost really, they were in MID AIR for too long.

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This is totally sweet. Multilingual Errant Story!
Just to be a grumpy old bastard.
http://forums.kyhm.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... wehr#65125

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Anita should be granted her disbelief, considering that a single monk almost took out an elf. I think the Ensigerum is underestimating the value of bullets in flight. Regardless that they can avoid them by reading the shooter's body movements, bullets move fast enough that even the monks have to focus their attention on them in order to render them harmless. That leaves the monk vulnerable to a second attack.


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Funny how a world can change.

Jon once again stands to come back from a vacation and discover he's the only Gewehr Wraith still on life. And that's assuming he and Sarine aren't stuck in some Gewehr safe-house that's about to be swarmed by monks with numerical superiority.

The monks appaerently have the potential to recruit right out of the Church's hide, if they ever realized it. That means perhaps Anita may be quite a bit more than a upstart grasper, she may be the wave of the future. Perhaps humanity has outgrown the Veracian Church, if random members are willing to trade in their wimples for monk's robes as soon as the option makes its exsistance known. But it does have me asking this: just what religious discipline are the Ensigerum 'monks' of, anyway? Old High Elvish (reformed)?

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Jon once again stands to come back from a vacation and discover he's the only Gewehr Wraith still on life. And that's assuming he and Sarine aren't stuck in some Gewehr safe-house that's about to be swarmed by monks with numerical superiority.

I see you share some traits with our beloved Imperatrix. Unfortunately only the one _bad_ trait; of underestimating the Gewehr.

You think they just sent Jon there to see how quickly he'd die?


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If the nun gives an honest and complete report, the monks might figure out just how dangerous the Wraiths can be.

It wouldn't surprise me if the "occupied" safe houses are booby-traps...I don't think time ninja monks can dodge a house full of explosives while they're inside the house.

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Back in July, I think I summed up my thoughts on this quite well

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Sure, the Ensirgium have taken down field agents and meetings, but unless there's something big we haven't seen, there's no reason for the wraiths to suspect that they are getting ready for a full scale war.

If they do get wind of that, they have a shot. Both sides know that the biggest concentration of wraiths is in Emerylon. In the wraiths position, if I knew the Ensirgium was coming, I'd be setting boobytraps of all sorts all over. Snipers scattered throught the city, close enough to support each other but seperated enough to make the timies work for every kill. Keep to the rooftops. Mines, tripwired claymores, firebombs, whatever. Perhaps most important, write off their HQ first thing and rig it with an ungodly ammount of explosives. When the timies go in, have a couple volunteers waiting for htem, one of them with a deadmans switch for the explosives.

Starting a massive fire or huge havok brings in the city guards and hte priests. Most of the priests won't know that they are toadying up to the timies, and they would be unlikely to discriminate between the factions: both, after all, are creating disturbances of the peace, and the timies are obviously heretic mages. The wraiths live in Emerylon, they would know where to hide. Call in some favors with the thieves guild. A full scale, flashy war gives them a golden opportunity for grand theft and looting, in exchange for a bit of help with hiding and some muscle(possibly even some mages to track the timies movements-time magic, one would think, would use an ungodly ammount of power) As to the muzzle-flash issue, Poe went on record a while back and said that the Wraith's guns have some minor enchantments to reduce noise and flash.

If they get warning and are willing to make the fight as ugly as possible, the Wraiths can do this. If they get ambushed, though... they're fucked.

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Hah!

I think her purge of Gwehr is going to fail. Jon isn't the only clever
bastard among them. Note that Paul is only sending a few monks
thus, radically underestimating the Gewehr.

Anita still refuses to see both that Sarine is much tougher than she is
and that Jon was indeed a major factor in the battle. True, Sarine would
have been chipped beef on toast were it not for Jon. But that doesn't
change the fact that Anita is seriously underestimating both elves and
humans (or over estimating her monks).

The monks are so highly trained that they're predictable. That's a very
sharp edge in favor of the Gewehr.

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Hah!

I think her purge of Gwehr is going to fail. Jon isn't the only clever
bastard among them. Note that Paul is only sending a few monks
thus, radically underestimating the Gewehr.

Anita still refuses to see both that Sarine is much tougher than she is
and that Jon was indeed a major factor in the battle. True, Sarine would
have been chipped beef on toast were it not for Jon. But that doesn't
change the fact that Anita is seriously underestimating both elves and
humans (or over estimating her monks).


I think there's a huge difference between Warrel taking his time and
getting himself killed and Sara captured via his own idiocy and 6 full
monks running an extermination. Lest we forget, Sara <i>single
handedly</i> eradicated a gathering of Wraiths early in the comic and
took no damage except to one sleeve. Imagine six full monks, with the
full knowledge of Anita's fury if they fail behind them, simply doing
the job instead of stopping to talk. I think the extermination is going
to go exceedingly well in most respects, but Jon will either escape or
not be there for some other reason.


1) That was a surprise attack, before the Gewehr even knew the Ensigerum
existed. Let alone what their capabilities are.

2) Jon's going to ground again anyway. There is no way he is going to
let his bosses have his sister. Their way of neutralising a problem
prisoner is amputation of all limbs, followed by a bullet to the brain
after interrogation. Jon's not going to let that happen. His next move
is to take Sara to his own safe-house and with the help of Sarine (who
is also a soft touch), try to rehabilitate his sister.

3) However, he warns his bosses that the hit was a trap and that two
time mages showed up. Pauls information is days old and much after Jon
got away with Sara. The Gewehr are either long gone, from both locations
(Jon warned them), or we have a pair of boobies traps, designed to catch
monks.

That last point is the most interesting. Anita and Paul aren't even
thinking of that possibility. Ain't arrogance fun? :-3

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You know, 14:44 to 08:48 explains the confusion as well and I know
damned sure that I looked for another post.

me : 21Mar07 14:48 CET
monberg: 21Mar07 08:44 ???

That's all the important stuff from the other thread. Unfortunately, I
can't delete it.

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I see it more like "beat by two years of seniority" :-)


You're two years older than me :confused: :-o
Somehow, I doubt that. :roll:
Besides, there is no seniority system. :lol:

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BTW, if Impy would like to delete the other thread, I'm going with the mass vote and I saved the contents anyway. 8-)

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The monks are so highly trained that they're predictable. That's a very
sharp edge in favor of the Gewehr.

Just how highly trained are the time monks? Didn't the Imperatrix herself lament the fact that they rely too heavily on time magic rather than martial training?


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If nothing else, Sara and the rest of the time monks will be able to demonstrate that mere humans, some of them at least, are able to fight almost at the level of a full-blooded elf. Given how many humans there are in the world, how fast they're spreading, that can't be anything but unsettling. Far from just pests that can be dealt with, the Elves, if it ever comes to it, might actually *not* be able to clear the humans away like they did so many other races.

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The monks are so highly trained that they're predictable. That's a very
sharp edge in favor of the Gewehr.

Just how highly trained are the time monks? Didn't the Imperatrix herself lament the fact that they rely too heavily on time magic rather than martial training?


That's complacency and it aggrivates the problem, making them even more predictable. If the same kata or form works 50 times in a row, the 51st time is likely to see a dead repetition, as in without thought, to see that this time might need something a bit different. The chance that someone might actually have a counter is going to surprise the life right out of them. The Gewehr do not have the disadvantage of continuous success.

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