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I see it more like "beat by two years of seniority"


Yeah, I don't quite get it either.

I don't think the elves stand a chance against the Ensigerum unless they find a way to neutralize their time magic or employ shields, barriers etc. Warrel was basicaly just toying with Sarine until Jon provided her with an opening. He could have gone for a kill with the first blow, alas arrogance etc. In a war monks would wise up pretty quick and get down to serious bussiness, they would prepare themselves better beforehand and such, besides they got a warning now - they ain't that untouchable anymore.

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The monks appaerently have the potential to recruit right out of the Church's hide, if they ever realized it. That means perhaps Anita may be quite a bit more than a upstart grasper, she may be the wave of the future. Perhaps humanity has outgrown the Veracian Church, if random members are willing to trade in their wimples for monk's robes as soon as the option makes its exsistance known.


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There can also be members iof Veracian Church who may now see vulnerability of current regime seing as its boogymen just serious scare.

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My prediction goes along with what has already been said here:

Monk1: Is this the place?
Monk2: Yeah, we trailed them back here.
Wraith: Surprise! *click* ~ *Kabooom!*


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My prediction goes along with what has already been said here:

Monk1: Is this the place?
Monk2: Yeah, we trailed them back here.
Wraith: Surprise! *click* ~ *Kabooom!*


Monks 3 through 12: Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! *fzzt* *slice-slice-slice-slice-slice-slice*

Monks 13 though 24: Well they hardly needed us at all, did they? Where to next? We've got three more of these places to clear out before sunrise.



Anita's done dicking around. She tried a nice little 'war of assassins', and in her defense she knows when she's embarassed herself. Now she's doing systematic erradication using overwhealming local superiority derived from total mobilization of a superior well of manpower and resources in multiple isolated incidents. The time of prestige fights is over. This is now a no-frills, no points-given-for-style war, and Anita's bigger than the Veracian-branch Wraiths while not being qualitavely inferior to a significant degree (Actually, her individual assets are qualitively better). So they lose. It's attrition time.

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Kaboom, as in a couple tons of explosives kaboom.


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Back in July, I think I summed up my thoughts on this quite well

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Sure, the Ensirgium have taken down field agents and meetings, but unless there's something big we haven't seen, there's no reason for the wraiths to suspect that they are getting ready for a full scale war.

If they do get wind of that, they have a shot. Both sides know that the biggest concentration of wraiths is in Emerylon. In the wraiths position, if I knew the Ensirgium was coming, I'd be setting boobytraps of all sorts all over. Snipers scattered throught the city, close enough to support each other but seperated enough to make the timies work for every kill. Keep to the rooftops. Mines, tripwired claymores, firebombs, whatever. Perhaps most important, write off their HQ first thing and rig it with an ungodly ammount of explosives. When the timies go in, have a couple volunteers waiting for htem, one of them with a deadmans switch for the explosives.

Starting a massive fire or huge havok brings in the city guards and hte priests. Most of the priests won't know that they are toadying up to the timies, and they would be unlikely to discriminate between the factions: both, after all, are creating disturbances of the peace, and the timies are obviously heretic mages. The wraiths live in Emerylon, they would know where to hide. Call in some favors with the thieves guild. A full scale, flashy war gives them a golden opportunity for grand theft and looting, in exchange for a bit of help with hiding and some muscle(possibly even some mages to track the timies movements-time magic, one would think, would use an ungodly ammount of power) As to the muzzle-flash issue, Poe went on record a while back and said that the Wraith's guns have some minor enchantments to reduce noise and flash.

If they get warning and are willing to make the fight as ugly as possible, the Wraiths can do this. If they get ambushed, though... they're fucked.

This would be a fantastic read, but then again I've been rooting for the Ensigerum's downfall.


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Hmmmmm interesting it seems I was wrong about there being an extra monk to observe although I can't help wondering how the nun found out about these guy's much less how to reach them. I have to say underestimation applies to pretty much everyone. I wonder how the elves will react now they know how much of a threat the monks really are. I also wouldn't be so sure of the wratih's setting up explosions John might be more interested in getting his sister to safety than letting his fellows know about the ambush. Anyway things appear to be heating up quite a bit.

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Also sending several monks might not be overconfidence (although it seems that way) remember these would probably be masters not novices and there are only so many members of the order.


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You know what might be most effective against the time monkeys? Glue-coated or greased floors. 8-)


But it wouldn't shock me if an organization as pragmatic and paranoid as the Wraiths seem to be had some kind of counter against magic available in their headquarters. Might be funny to see how the time monkeys react to suddenly not having time on their side.


PS: I really don't much like the time monkeys.

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Hmmmmm interesting it seems I was wrong about there being an extra monk to observe although I can't help wondering how the nun found out about these guy's much less how to reach them. I have to say underestimation applies to pretty much everyone.


It's because the time mages are delusionally full of themselves. Have you ever met the CEO of a dot-com company *coughWeb Vancough*, back in the day?

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I wonder how the elves will react now they know how much of a threat the monks really are.


Once they know about the time magic, which seemed to take Sarine by surprise, they'll probably have wards and counters ready. However, it's fairly clear that some elves already know enough about the Ensigerum to downplay them in Elven Council. At least, Sarine suspects so.

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I also wouldn't be so sure of the wratih's setting up explosions John might be more interested in getting his sister to safety than letting his fellows know about the ambush. Anyway things appear to be heating up quite a bit.


They have enough spookish-type message drops that he can easily do both. Besides, half-way suspecting/expecting a trap, Gabriel probably had a dedicated observation team on it anyway. One that Jon doesn't know about. Remember, the Wraith's have already been able to kill one monk.

One thing to think about, Jon had never run across the time mages before and yet he had a plan ready. He was not taken by surprise, whereas Sarine was. That means that he and every other Wraith out there is actively thinking about counter measures for them, neither under or over estimating the monks. Like I said, a whole bunch of clever bastards. All Jon would have to tell them is one word "TRAP" followed by his sigil. The intended receiver would act accordingly. No, Jon would not neccessarily, tell them that he's captured his sister. In fact, he would have the opposite urge.

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Also sending several monks might not be overconfidence (although it seems that way) remember these would probably be masters not novices and there are only so many members of the order.


Warrel was, at least, a journeyman/disciple but more than likely a Master. You usually don't send two apprentices out together and you certainly don't put one in the charge of another. Journeymen/Disciples usually aren't allowed an apprentice unless they are themselves supervised by a master. That's the way such a system works.

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Anita's done dicking around. She tried a nice little 'war of assassins', and in her defense she knows when she's embarassed herself. Now she's doing systematic erradication using overwhealming local superiority derived from total mobilization of a superior well of manpower and resources in multiple isolated incidents. The time of prestige fights is over. This is now a no-frills, no points-given-for-style war, and Anita's bigger than the Veracian-branch Wraiths while not being qualitavely inferior to a significant degree (Actually, her individual assets are qualitively better). So they lose. It's attrition time.


or: She's finally learned the cat's lesson, don't play with your food, it might get pissed off. :wink:

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However, it's fairly clear that some elves already know enough about the Ensigerum to downplay them in Elven Council.


I think what Sarine was referring to in her conversation with Warrel was what the church told elves when they heard about the Ensigerum still existing - monks probably asked them to lie.

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I'm fairly sure Warrel wasn't a master since he got chewed out not that long ago for letting one of the Wratihs? hit his clothing when they shouldn't have been able to touch him. I doubt he got promoted for that unless its a time in grade thing where after X years as an apprentice you automatically advance regardless of capability.


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I'm fairly sure Sara wasn't a master since she got chewed out not that long ago for letting one of the Wraiths hit her clothing when they shouldn't have been able to touch her. I doubt she got promoted for that unless its a time in grade thing where after X years as an apprentice you automatically advance regardless of capability.

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And heck, we may have just identified Chris's love-interest.

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You know what might be most effective against the time monkeys? Glue-coated or greased floors. 8-)

But it wouldn't shock me if an organization as pragmatic and paranoid as the Wraiths seem to be had some kind of counter against magic available in their headquarters. Might be funny to see how the time monkeys react to suddenly not having time on their side.

Better remedy: piano wire across entryways and random hallways. Let them cut their own legs off a few times any they'll start slowing down indoors.

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Ummmmm just what are you talking about Kestenvarn?


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Ummmmm just what are you talking about Kestenvarn?


Sara was the one with a hole in her sleeve, not Warrel.

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And heck, we may have just identified Chris's love-interest.


Haha, a former nun. Classic, if true.

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I was thinking the nun was an infiltrated Gewehr, trying to infiltrate the monks. After all, if they knew it was most likely a trap, why not take advantage of the situation?

It would also explain why Jon's part was downplayed. The elf was there, for whatever reason, so why not let the monks keep underestimating them, since it worked ok for Jon. Plus, you get the added bonus of the monks going nuts about wtf the elf was doing there.

What I'm suprised about is that the monks bought the presence of an elf so completly, after consulting a single witness. Granted, their paranoia helped, but I'd have expected a more thorough investigation of such an unprecedented event.

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Hm, nuns are magic users, Gewehr doesn't seem to employ them...

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