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Jon sleeps with his gun loaded. I think Ellis would have had a lot of trouble loading one without thumbs. And since Jon can fire more than one shot per load, I'd say he still has at least 5 shots in it.

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BTW, if Sarine tries to advance from her current position, she's going to fall over :wink:

They appear to still be in the posturing stage of the duel. Sarine's flat-footed and Sara still hasn't put up her weapon.

Did anyone who ever had to fight in combat actually use that hand-in-the-air pose? I understand that tournament fencing is about scoring points by touching the opponent. What about, say, a 19th Century army officer defending a muddy rampart and suddenly finding himself with an empty revolver, standing on a pile of bloody bodies, some of them dead, some not quite so but with their guts coming out, and being attacked by up to four screaming Waziri tribesmen armed with a selection of knives, scimitars, and spears?

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Maybe it helps if she keeps her spell-hand out of direct view of her opponent, or perhaps the magic works better if you get a good windup first. That will be what the off-hand is being used for, though. Poe said last thread- his elves use a two-handed grip with an option for one-handed, using the other to throw spells. Either way starting out, it's nice to keep both options open. And it kinda nicely contrasts Sarine's European-flavored fighting stance with Sara's more orientalish-flavor style. Interesting, as both styles supposedly originated together... though the new Ensignarium has had a couple thousand years to diverge, so maybe not so strange.

Or maybe it's just that it looks rlly cool?

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I'd bet a lot of people did try to use that stance in an actual melee battle... many undoubtedly shortly before before being eviscerated by the guy swinging the scimitar just behind them... and that guy wasn't even facing them at the time, he was facing the other direction and caught you on the upswing. That's the thing though, melee's unpredictable like that no matter what stance you're using, especially if you don't know how to use it. And that's about all I can say, since I've never been in a real one.


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It doesn't, this story is a good example of that.

Right, like the elves in errant story share only the name of the ones ingrained in popular culture?

[X] Lives a long time/forever.
[X] Has pointy ears.
[X] Gay prancing in the woods.
[ ] The females all have dicks.
[X] Ambidextrous by nature/training over decades.

The details may vary, but it's not like we don't have a good overview of the most likely options.


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Elves are elves. Deal with it u.u


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Rakshasa wrote:
[X] Gay prancing in the woods.


Umm when did Poe's elves do the prancing in the woods thing?


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[X] Gay prancing in the woods.


Umm when did Poe's elves do the prancing in the woods thing?


When do anyone's Elves outside of Bored of the Rings and tacky DM jokes do this?

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Rakshasa wrote:
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It doesn't, this story is a good example of that.

Right, like the elves in errant story share only the name of the ones ingrained in popular culture?

[X] Lives a long time/forever.
[X] Has pointy ears.
[X] Gay prancing in the woods.
[ ] The females all have dicks.
[X] Ambidextrous by nature/training over decades.

The details may vary, but it's not like we don't have a good overview of the most likely options.


This story is unique, as are the elves in it. What is not in the wiki is not canon. If it conflicts with your idea ... deal with it. Poe is perfectly within his rights, as an author, to redefine anything at all to his liking. If you disagree, tough! You will get no sympathy from this author.

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[X] Gay prancing in the woods.


Umm when did Poe's elves do the prancing in the woods thing?


Well, one of the Elven races did once live in the woods... and being elves, they probably did some amount of prancing... apparently it wasn't naked prancing though, at least according to Sarine.

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It doesn't, this story is a good example of that.

Right, like the elves in errant story share only the name of the ones ingrained in popular culture?

[X] Lives a long time/forever.
[X] Has pointy ears.
[X] Gay prancing in the woods.
[ ] The females all have dicks.
[X] Ambidextrous by nature/training over decades.

The details may vary, but it's not like we don't have a good overview of the most likely options.


This story is unique, as are the elves in it. What is not in the wiki is not canon. If it conflicts with your idea ... deal with it. Poe is perfectly within his rights, as an author, to redefine anything at all to his liking. If you disagree, tough! You will get no sympathy from this author.


What he said.

Poe's elves do exactly what they've been shown to do or otherwise explicitly stated to do within the comic, or directly by Poe himself. Everything else one thinks they are, or thinks they do, is pure baseless speculation based on whatever outside expectations one brings in from somewhere else.

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BTW, if Sarine tries to advance from her current position, she's going to fall over :wink:

They appear to still be in the posturing stage of the duel. Sarine's flat-footed and Sara still hasn't put up her weapon.

Did anyone who ever had to fight in combat actually use that hand-in-the-air pose? I understand that tournament fencing is about scoring points by touching the opponent. What about, say, a 19th Century army officer defending a muddy rampart and suddenly finding himself with an empty revolver, standing on a pile of bloody bodies, some of them dead, some not quite so but with their guts coming out, and being attacked by up to four screaming Waziri tribesmen armed with a selection of knives, scimitars, and spears?


yeah, I agree, in a melee (and most battle-field work was melee) things will be different *and* the fighting here is asymetric. The hand-in-the-air is a matter of balance, and is taught rigorously by most coaches; it tends to droop as fencers develop their own styles.

Still, it's a matter of physics (pace cat-girl exceptions) that if Sarine tries to move forward from that stance, she will fall over. Which is probably why she'll change her stance in the next frame :lol:

BTB, one of the better sword fighting films is "The Duellists". It's set in Napoleonic times, and is centered around a series of duels fought by the same two officers in Napoleon's army. Each of the duels look right, feel right. Worth catching if you like that sort of thing.

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there seems to be some people here that know a little about fencing/swords.
i've been wondering for awhile now if the dual ended sword sara uses has ever been employed by people in the real world. you see these dual ended swords in movies and comics, but do they really have any advantages in actual combat? it seems to me that they would be too awkward to have an advantage over a sword yet have to little reach to have an advantage over a simple pole weapon with a single blade. anyone willing to shed some light on this? does this type of weapon have a common name i could look up on google for more information?


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there seems to be some people here that know a little about fencing/swords.
i've been wondering for awhile now if the dual ended sword sara uses has ever been employed by people in the real world. you see these dual ended swords in movies and comics, but do they really have any advantages in actual combat? it seems to me that they would be too awkward to have an advantage over a sword yet have to little reach to have an advantage over a simple pole weapon with a single blade. anyone willing to shed some light on this? does this type of weapon have a common name i could look up on google for more information?


I don't think Sara's weapon has a parallel IRL. It's not a halberd or a quarter-staff. It's like a quarter-staff with blades. Maybe Poe can shed some light?

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This story is unique, as are the elves in it. What is not in the wiki is not canon. If it conflicts with your idea ... deal with it. Poe is perfectly within his rights, as an author, to redefine anything at all to his liking. If you disagree, tough! You will get no sympathy from this author.

If it says "MEOW", do you start a page long discussion before thinking: "Perhaps it's a cat?" And then somehow think it is a novel thought? I put in words in my posts, words with meaning, yet somehow some people seem to skip the important ones.

Err... Perhaps I'm expecting too much of you guys, so I collected the words for easy perusal: "may vary", "good overview", "most likely", "must be"^W^W, "Perhaps"

I think there was something being said on this very topic just yesterday.


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there seems to be some people here that know a little about fencing/swords.
i've been wondering for awhile now if the dual ended sword sara uses has ever been employed by people in the real world. you see these dual ended swords in movies and comics, but do they really have any advantages in actual combat? it seems to me that they would be too awkward to have an advantage over a sword yet have to little reach to have an advantage over a simple pole weapon with a single blade. anyone willing to shed some light on this? does this type of weapon have a common name i could look up on google for more information?


I don't think Sara's weapon has a parallel IRL.


I remember reading somewhere that ninja actually used a weapon like that. It was designed like a staff, with concealed blades that came out from each end when triggered. I don't remember the name, but I'll see if I can look it up.

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ri[[3r wrote:
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BTW, if Sarine tries to advance from her current position, she's going to fall over :wink:

They appear to still be in the posturing stage of the duel. Sarine's flat-footed and Sara still hasn't put up her weapon.

Did anyone who ever had to fight in combat actually use that hand-in-the-air pose? I understand that tournament fencing is about scoring points by touching the opponent. What about, say, a 19th Century army officer defending a muddy rampart and suddenly finding himself with an empty revolver, standing on a pile of bloody bodies, some of them dead, some not quite so but with their guts coming out, and being attacked by up to four screaming Waziri tribesmen armed with a selection of knives, scimitars, and spears?

yeah, I agree, in a melee (and most battle-field work was melee) things will be different *and* the fighting here is asymetric. The hand-in-the-air is a matter of balance, and is taught rigorously by most coaches; it tends to droop as fencers develop their own styles.

Just occured to me that the metaphor is more apt than I originally thought. In the 19th Century, cavalrymen, sailors, and nfantry officers would need to practice fighting with a sword in one hand and a "blasting rod" (a Colt, Webley, etc. revolver) in the other. Ambidextry could be taught, hopefully.

Object lesson from at the Battle of Omdurman, The 21st Lancers charged into a horde of Dervishes armed with spears and scims. Lt. Winston Churchill had a bad arm that day, so he rode through the melee with two loaded pistols instead of a pistol and saber. He credited his survival to that bit of misfortune.

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Rakshasa wrote:
Slamlander wrote:
This story is unique, as are the elves in it. What is not in the wiki is not canon. If it conflicts with your idea ... deal with it. Poe is perfectly within his rights, as an author, to redefine anything at all to his liking. If you disagree, tough! You will get no sympathy from this author.

If it says "MEOW", do you start a page long discussion before thinking: "Perhaps it's a cat?" And then somehow think it is a novel thought? I put in words in my posts, words with meaning, yet somehow some people seem to skip the important ones.

Err... Perhaps I'm expecting too much of you guys, so I collected the words for easy perusal: "may vary", "good overview", "most likely", "must be"^W^W, "Perhaps"

I think there was something being said on this very topic just yesterday.


It may have been said but in this case, it isn't pertinent. You offered a clear critique and the implied opinion that Poe's elves should conform to D&D standards, further implying that not doing so was somewhat deficient or not up to *your* standards. There were no equivocating words in your post. My post was in direct answer to the tone and implications in your post.

Further, your last post is along your usual lines of implied superiority and I find it extremely patronising and on the verge of being insulting. The very fine edge of insulting, in fact. I've mentioned the problems with your approach to you before, in PMs. You refused to take the hint and even replied in public. You seem to be more for aggrandising your own ego than contributing to this forum of peers.

We are here for fun and not to play king-of-the-hill. Some of us are old enough to be tired of playing those sorts of games. Neither do we do formal debate, chosing instead to have conversations. In good conversations, one doesn't usually chose to bash ones fellow conversationalists over the head and call them five sorts of imbecile. One certainly doesn't offer free insults with virtually every post.

Perhaps you should peruse the Internet for tutorials about the fine art of conversation? The only thing more astounding than your arrogance is that you're trying to pull it off with this hyper-intelligent crowd. I can't think of a single active forum member that you haven't yet insulted with your arrogant ways.

Yes, you committed the crime of insulting the story and its author. Yes, we are fans. As far as I'm concerned, you can sell that shit anywhere but here.

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And since Jon can fire more than one shot per load...



Why Sarine keeps Jon around.

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Slamlander wrote:
Rakshasa wrote:
Slamlander wrote:
This story is unique, as are the elves in it. What is not in the wiki is not canon. If it conflicts with your idea ... deal with it. Poe is perfectly within his rights, as an author, to redefine anything at all to his liking. If you disagree, tough! You will get no sympathy from this author.

If it says "MEOW", do you start a page long discussion before thinking: "Perhaps it's a cat?" And then somehow think it is a novel thought? I put in words in my posts, words with meaning, yet somehow some people seem to skip the important ones.

Err... Perhaps I'm expecting too much of you guys, so I collected the words for easy perusal: "may vary", "good overview", "most likely", "must be"^W^W, "Perhaps"

I think there was something being said on this very topic just yesterday.


It may have been said but in this case, it isn't pertinent. You offered a clear critique and the implied opinion that Poe's elves should conform to D&D standards, further implying that not doing so was somewhat deficient or not up to *your* standards. There were no equivocating words in your post. My post was in direct answer to the tone and implications in your post.

Further, your last post is along your usual lines of implied superiority and I find it extremely patronising and on the verge of being insulting. The very fine edge of insulting, in fact. I've mentioned the problems with your approach to you before, in PMs. You refused to take the hint and even replied in public. You seem to be more for aggrandising your own ego than contributing to this forum of peers.

We are here for fun and not to play king-of-the-hill. Some of us are old enough to be tired of playing those sorts of games. Neither do we do formal debate, chosing instead to have conversations. In good conversations, one doesn't usually chose to bash ones fellow conversationalists over the head and call them five sorts of imbecile. One certainly doesn't offer free insults with virtually every post.

Perhaps you should peruse the Internet for tutorials about the fine art of conversation? The only thing more astounding than your arrogance is that you're trying to pull it off with this hyper-intelligent crowd. I can't think of a single active forum member that you haven't yet insulted with your arrogant ways.

Yes, you committed the crime of insulting the story and its author. Yes, we are fans. As far as I'm concerned, you can sell that shit anywhere but here.


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