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 Post subject: I found Praenubilus Astu
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:57 am 
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Looking at the map <A HREF="http://www.errantstory.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Nations">here</A>, I noticed an oddly regular little arc to the border of what must be the Elven territories, southeast of Veracia. Noticing that the arc would fit a circle centered roughly on the river that runs up into the Elven territories, and being aware that the border was most likely drawn along the contours of the barrier the elves used to keep out humans (which could quite believable be projected from some central point, thus creating a nice circular contour like that), and noting that when Sarine arrived in the Elven territories <A HREF="http://www.errantstory.com/archive.php?date=2006-04-12">it appeared to be near water</A> (which is a common sort of location to put a major city)... I think I may have located <A HREF="http://www.errantstory.com/wiki/index.php/Praenubilus_Astu">Praenubilus Astu</A>:

<CENTER><IMG SRC="http://www.west.net/~forrest/misc/PraenubilusAstu.jpg"></CENTER>

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Yes, I came to the same conclusion while altering the original version of the map... that peninsula must be the one controlled by the elves. I made certain the borders would stand out on the colored version because of this.

Somewhere near that location seems like a reasonable guess.


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Good guess. But I wonder what that white circle around Tsuirakushiti means. A lake, border of ex-cloaking device area? And another thing occured to me - if the cloaking device was knocked out, why didn't the same happened to the levitation engines? Causing Tsuirakushiti to fall to the ground/water ofcourse.

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But I wonder what that white circle around Tsuirakushiti means.

Water.


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You either have better eyes or a better monitor than I do, because I never noticed that little area down there. Even now, looking at the map on the wiki, I can't tell if it's really just an ever so slightly less dark shade of grey, or just mu imagination because of the map you used on this thread.

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Good guess. But I wonder what that white circle around Tsuirakushiti means. A lake, border of ex-cloaking device area? And another thing occured to me - if the cloaking device was knocked out, why didn't the same happened to the levitation engines? Causing Tsuirakushiti to fall to the ground/water ofcourse.

Maybe the floaters and the cloak were on different power sources? Or maybe the floaters use less power? Or maybe the mechanisms are sufficiently different that something could destroy one without disrupting the other?


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I think also that the floaters would be much more simpler, downward force or whatever, while the cloaking thingy could be a mind fuck thing (A bit doubtful, but possible) or just attuned to the area so it can blend in better.

But I think that the floaters would be more heavy-duty then the cloakers would ever need. The Magical poke-god sounds like it just dumped the biggest Magical EMP the world has ever seen, and I'm betting everything low-powered (Crystal balls, small enchantments) just got knocked the fuck out.

Or, it could of just let loose a wave of energy that just over powered everything. The floaters would be made to be able to handle more power and lift up more stuff if they needed to for one reason or another, while the cloakers may of had a pretty set power limit for how much they could handle before 'burning out'.

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I'd hazard a guess that the levitation engines are top priority to them, and everything is triple-checked to make certain they are functioning properly to avoid the coming cataclysm.


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You either have better eyes or a better monitor than I do, because I never noticed that little area down there. Even now, looking at the map on the wiki, I can't tell if it's really just an ever so slightly less dark shade of grey, or just mu imagination because of the map you used on this thread.


Are you saying you can't see the difference in shade between the peninsula in southeast Veracia (the one I drew my circle on) and the rest of the continent? On the original map?

I think your monitor needs serious adjusting. Can you tell the difference in shade between Farrell and Tsuiraku? Between Veracia and the Northern Confederacy? Between the Confederacy and the (what I presume are) wild lands surrounding it?

Incidentally, those northern borderlands are the same shade as the Elven territories, as are the rest of the visible parts of the continent on which the Anuban colonies rest; might that indicate more Elf lands, or is this a human-drawn map and that shade just means "unclaimed territory (Elves don't count)"?

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it's quite subtle actually. On my monitor, Farrel, Tsuiraku, Veracia and the Northern Confederacy are all easily distinguishable, but Veracia is entirely black and takes up all parts of the continent that aren't the Northern Confederacy. And that's with contrast at 100% and brightness at 50%.

It's only if I turn the brightness up all the way to 100% that I see areas within Veracia that are slighly less black. It's really a badly chosen shade if it's truly intended to be different.


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Woah, uh, I guess your monitor sucks - on mine, the differences in shade are pretty starkly obvious, and that's with a crappy old lcd.

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wrog wrote:
it's quite subtle actually. On my monitor, Farrel, Tsuiraku, Veracia and the Northern Confederacy are all easily distinguishable, but Veracia is entirely black and takes up all parts of the continent that aren't the Northern Confederacy. And that's with contrast at 100% and brightness at 50%.

It's only if I turn the brightness up all the way to 100% that I see areas within Veracia that are slighly less black. It's really a badly chosen shade if it's truly intended to be different.

gamma correction

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Contrast settings? I gots an old CRT which is displaying everything perfectly.


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Forrest wrote:
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You either have better eyes or a better monitor than I do, because I never noticed that little area down there. Even now, looking at the map on the wiki, I can't tell if it's really just an ever so slightly less dark shade of grey, or just mu imagination because of the map you used on this thread.


Are you saying you can't see the difference in shade between the peninsula in southeast Veracia (the one I drew my circle on) and the rest of the continent? On the original map?

I think your monitor needs serious adjusting. Can you tell the difference in shade between Farrell and Tsuiraku? Between Veracia and the Northern Confederacy? Between the Confederacy and the (what I presume are) wild lands surrounding it?

Incidentally, those northern borderlands are the same shade as the Elven territories, as are the rest of the visible parts of the continent on which the Anuban colonies rest; might that indicate more Elf lands, or is this a human-drawn map and that shade just means "unclaimed territory (Elves don't count)"?


I never noticed the different shading there at the SE end of that continent, on the map at the wiki. None of the other territories are difficult to distinguish, including the northern borderlands.

The area at the SE end of that continent is plainly visible on the map you posted on this thread.

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Killjoy wrote:
I never noticed the different shading there at the SE end of that continent, on the map at the wiki. None of the other territories are difficult to distinguish, including the northern borderlands.

The area at the SE end of that continent is plainly visible on the map you posted on this thread.


Odd, cause all I did was grab the map off the wiki and stick a red circle and dot on it, so if you can see it on the wiki you should be able to see it in my pic and vice versa. Unless Photoshop did some funky color correction without asking me...

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There is a difference between the two, but you should still be able to tell between the varying territories on the wiki version.

If you cannot, your monitor needs correction.


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Forrest wrote:
Unless Photoshop did some funky color correction without asking me...

Seems to be the case, because your map has slightly lighter hues. I thought that maybe the forum's light grey background might've had an effect, compared to the white background of the wiki, but when I copied both maps to to an imageviewer and switched between them, I could see how yours was definitely lighter.

And while I can see the difference between the black and the almost black areas on the wiki map, it's really easy to miss. And that's with the usual Contrast 100 and Brightness 70 I use. And if I use the gamma correction on the graphics card software, I end up making light hues more difficult to discern. So I'm going to side with wrog on this issue, though it's quite possible that my monitor is crappy. (Ever since I've had it, there's been this dark spot on the top of it, at the air vents, and it just keeps getting darker and bigger, as if something very warm on the inside is trying to burn the plastic.)

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I'm looking at the wiki map on a different monitor, and the difference is just a little more visible.

Part of the problem comes down to doing a grey-scale map, and not following cartographic practices regarding which colors to use on adjecent regions. :wink:

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Killjoy wrote:
I'm looking at the wiki map on a different monitor, and the difference is just a little more visible.

Part of the problem comes down to doing a grey-scale map, and not following cartographic practices regarding which colors to use on adjecent regions. :wink:


Yeah, somebody should color the maps and use neon green, deep purple, electric orange and the like. :-D lol

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