ZOMBIE FORUMS

But what if people moved in there? Humans have lived there before, haven't they? Ya know, taken their children there and stayed with them, perhaps?

What if a human were to say "I think I'm going to Santauriel to become a ________!"? Would it be Santaurielians, Santaurielites, Santaurieli, or something else?

This knowledge I must have!

Also, I'd comment on the comic, but everything has pretty much been said. It's ABC.

Okay... Santauri, as both the singular and the plural.

That's sortof in keeping with the elves, who we've decided are simply identified by race name, and it also is the simplest form I could come up with.

Also, I've noticed that outside of our comic world, it seems the -(i)ans ending tends to apply more often to a people classed primarily by nationality, while the -ites ending tends to apply more to a people classed primarily by ideology. Farrel has no common unifying ideology as its primary trait, so I'd be more inclined to call them Farrellians or Ferreli.

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You know, I think you've hit on something there. Actually, "Isrealite" is the ancient biblical reference. In modern terms, they are Israelis, as I've just found out (having been thoroughly and definitively corrected by an Israeli friend of mine). As well, followers of Islam are called Muslims (figure that out).

In the final analysis, they get called whatever Poe wants to call them. So, which shall it be? It won't take long to change the wiki, actually. I only made the "Farrelite" reference on 2-3 pages and the wiki search should find them all anyway.

Frickin top of the page!

Santauren? Santauri?

This all depends on whether you want to get formal, or colloquial.

Like for us in NZ, we might call ourselves kiwi, with jaffas for aucklanders, and no other cities residents deserving their own nickname because they just aren't as important as jaffas. :)

Then of course you get those sordid characters that call us sheep shaggers, the southern inbred, occasionally you hear the odd race jab at northern north islanders (even though they're talking to me, not realising I'm a part of the people they're having a go at... :\). It gets more complicated once people start trying to reinburse maori.. Aotearoa? Aotearoans? Aotearoi? Given that I'm simply 'pakeha' to that lot, I wouldn't take much notice even if they did invent a decent description. What goes around, comes around, etc etc.

Or in the case of Australia, it's Australian and ozzies. Personally, since the orziez have more sheep per head than us keewees they should be the sheep shaggers, though ultimately I hear they root dingoes and roos so maybe something like rooscewer is more appropriate. We just need to find something that isn't venomous, but still naughty, to call our friends across the ditch. *sigh*

New Zealander, Kiwi.

Farrel.. Farrellan?

Santas? Is Ian going to be the Bad Santa, flying around the world and forcing the Elves to make toys for him?

depends how much they want to piss off grand-dad.

My only concern with the latter is that it ryhmes too much with Ferengi. But, if that's not a problem with Poe ...

Back to the original issue, I called them Farrelites for lack of anything else and I could not recall where Poe called them anything else. His last in-comic reference called them Farrellians so that's what I'm going to change the wiki to.

Note that the different countries can all call each other different names. Tsuiraku could call them Farrelians and Veracia could call them Farrelites, with no loss of consistancy, aas long as Tsuirakuans always use the same term and Veracians always use their term. The Confederates could even start calling them Dumbshits and in their context it would still be consistant.

I'll go change the wiki now.

Edit: Change completed and checked. 19:28h CET

Yet the power and influence of that totemic franchise, like that of Cthulu and the Old Ones, cannot be reasonably denied.

Of course, even fewer people, among Westerners, know where Star Trek got the term, and

"The name "Ferengi" is an Arabic name for European traders, or for Westerners in general. Both the Arabic word and the name are similarly pronounced /fɛˈrɪŋɡi/ (IPA). The name is likely derived from the Arabic word faranj or ifranj, "Franks", or possibly the Persian word farangi, meaning "foreigner" or (most likely) the Hindi/Urdu word ferengi, which is a dialectic variation on the Persian word. In Ethiopia, ferenj or ferenji has the same meaning. The Greeks used Farang or farangi to refer to western Europeans, especially from Catalonia. It has the connotations of an ethnic slur against Europeans, and was used as a partially derogatory term in India to denote the British, especially by those resisting British rule. However the word is often used in an affectionate way. The Star Trek usage is derived from the above."

I, on the other hand, referred to a Neanderthalish race as "the Vetch" in a story, and the second person who read it informed me that "vetch" is a vegetable.

Kest may have missed my Wiki profile, where I mention that I write in Memory-Alpha as well. Speaking of which, if you can come up with a cite, I'll throw your reference about Ferengi in Memory-Alpha as well, if it isn't already.

I can't believe we're even having a discussion about the possibility of Star Trek NOT having an effect on things. I mean, seriously!

It defined a genre, much like LotR. Sure, I'm not that big of a fan of either myself, but I can accept the fact that I used to watch Stargate, partially because of Gene Roddenberry. The same way that I read Sword of Truth because of J. R. R. Tolkien. Sci fi and Fantasy were around long before them (War of the Worlds and The Lost World, for example), but they were the ones who defined it.

Oh, and for Star Wars fans? That's sci-fi AND fantasy.

Anyway, even if you don't like sci-fi, the fact remains that Star Trek defined a genre, no matter what it was, and is therefore firmly entrenched in our culture.

That's just my opinion, though. Feel free to disagree/argue/kill me in my sleep.

Considering that science fiction existed long before Star Trek, it's not realistic to say that it defined the genre. It certainly holds an iconic status in terms of the popular conception of that genre, however.

Sounds like Sarine has been to see granddad Hinadori already... Wonder what kind of exchange they had.

I always just assumed it came from the Arabic...

But then, I must confess I've never actually seen Star Trek...

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Defining a genre doesn't mean being the first.

But it does mean being definitive, which StarTrek isn't. Space Opera was around long before. Roddenberry just clarified the concept for the TV audience.

Doctor Who defined Science Fiction better than Star Trek.

Actor.

Amen.

War of the Worlds before that, and Issac Asimov earlier. H.G Wells and all the rest.

Star Trek was the television coalescence of an already-born idea.

Just like many other TV shows, it is the couch-potatoes memory of an idea that existed long before and very often in much better incarnations.