ZOMBIE FORUMS

Okay, this may sound stupid, because it may have already been discussed to death, but i have a theory...

What if the current plot involving Meji took place BEFORE the Elf/half Elf conflict, and her subplot is the backstory behind the origins of that conflict? In other words, WHAT IF MEJI IS THE ORIGINAL ERRANT?

here's what we do know at this point:

1. We can speculate that Meji's subplot takes place before Sarin's, because those of Elven blood in Meji's time don't seem to be feared at all, as they are in Sarin's.

2. Meji's professor says that Half Elves aren't recognized as a minority, which means that the "Purges" have yet to begin...

3. Meji seems to exhibit certain traits that tend to show her as being (somewhat) skilled in magical abilities, (although those are mostly anecdotal), and that she has something of an unstable personality. perhaps it's just typical teenage boredom, but who knows what future implications that may have...

4. Meji's final project is going to involve a spell to "...Become an insane, all powerful demigod and enslave all of reality!". Not good. even worse, is that she says earlier that she "can't do mind magic worth a damn". BIG TROUBLE! what if something goes horribly wrong?...

5. Meji obviously has issues with authority. the whole premise behind her spell to "become a demigod" is so that she could become powerful enough to "take out an entire @$#&% school full of mages!" That wouldn't only include her professors/teachers, but her fellow classmates as well. Think "Columbine"...

6. SHE HAS WHITE HAIR! Evberyone knows that characters in fantasy-era/anime stories with white hair turns out to be evil! Mwahahaha!!

7. If Meji is successful (or pulls off her spell, i should say), than it would instantly cast a shroud of fear, hate, and suspicion upon all half elves, as she would be the first person to actually have done such a thing. So we'd have (some understandable degree) of justification for the war and the purges.

8. It's all laid out right in front of us: something that Meji is about to do will result in something going chaoticlly wrong in the minds of all half elves, and turn them into Errants, with Meji indeed becoming their leader or source of inspiration. It's not hard to see that Meji is indeed the original/first Errant.

(An example would be in Chrono Trigger, where in 600AD, Magus casts a spell to revive Lavos, and in 1000AD, he is revered by a race of Mystics, loyal to his memory and goals. (not to mention that in 12000BC, young Magus (Janus) seems to show some traces of abnormal [Errant?] behaviour to begin with.))

9. Knowing Poe's style, the two seemingly seperate sub-plots (young Meji - Sarine), will eventually intersect later on down the line, culimating in an all out battle between Sarine and an older (and even more chaotic?) Meji. As far as fantasy/anime stories come, it's a great idea on it's own, but with Poe pulling the strings, it'll be pure gold.

I hope to Gawd that when he finishes Errant Story, he get's it printed and published. i'd gladly pay for it

-Ptrix

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ptrix on 2002-12-24 14:44 ]</font>

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Interesting idea.

I am in concurence with Eronarn. I can't fault it personally. If it works out then thats some good thinking outside the box. If not then i'm just demonstrating why i'm as thick as two short planks.

Good call on this one. Maybe that's why Sarine said, "I'm sorry" before killing Derren. It was a way of making peace with Meji. Also the fact that Poe didn't give us a time frame to go on with this current chapter like he did between Sarine talking to her husband and her killing Derren lends some credibility to this speculation. There are thousands of years for massive earth-shaking events to happen.

Good theory, well thought out and presented. I'm going to go out on a limb here and give this guy a DNI, should you wish to stick around. Add it to your signature.

Damn I hate it when n00bs point out something that I totally missed, makes me fell stupid.

Not only did he point out something like this he also went and showed evidence and researched it all, that was stylishly done.

Welcome aboard Ptrix. I was ready to give you DNI as well but Electric Pope beat me to it.

Actor.

sounds pretty sweet to me. *gives cookie* heehee, part of me wants to read every little bit of speculation, and the other part just wants to sit back and work it out for myself as we go on...argh... but yeah, that sounds pretty solid to me. :D

Thanks for the warm welcome I understand that to be deemed a "DNI" is not something to be taken lightly, and for what it's worth, i hope i live up to it (even though i'm still not sure exactly what the acronym stands for)



Something you wrote made me think about the character of Sarine. about how, when she was younger and pregnant, she was idealistic, and for lack of a better term, 'innocent'. People don't easily change from being passive optimists to becoming predatory vengeance-seekers. Something happened to her, something so awful that the concern and optimism that she once had for the half elves eroded from her soul.

I believe that when she says she's sorry, just before killing Darren, she wasn't apologizing to him, (she did say that she wasn't talking to him) or that she has much of a clue at that point about Meji, or her part in the war. Sarine was apologizing to her daughter....

...Because maybe her fears as a younger woman were well founded, and her instincts were correct. Her daughter was born as, or became an Errant, and Sarine was forced to take her life with her own hands. Her daughter, the very embodiment for the love Sarine had for her husband, and perhaps a symbol of the once-peaceful and joyous coexistance between Humans and Elves, became, or was twisted into darkness...

After having to end her own daughter's life, Sarine's perspective probably changed that very instant, and she began to seek vengeance against that which caused her and her people so much unspeakable pain. But not being aware of Meji, the root of the plague, she channeled her feelings against the Errants, (who, as it may turn out, are innocent victim's of Meji's twisted mind), and thus, against the memory of her very own flesh and blood.

Darren is probably best described as "another day on the job" for Sarine. Another town, another Errant to be dealt with. Do the job, try hard not to think about it, and move on to the next one. Wash, rinse, repeat... until there are no more Errants to be purged.

After 2000 some-odd years, Meji is probably just a rumor to the Half-Elf population, if anything concrete is even known of her after all that time at all. The future of the comic is probably about Sarine learning a little more about who Meji is, and discovering the truth behind her and the Errants. or if you want to look at it more deeply, it may be about her growing beyond the thirst for revenge, and become willing to forgive herself, by understanding Meji, and perhaps, even understanding or sympathising for her in some way.

The artwork may be black and white, but the characters are all shades of grey... Meji may not be as dark as i thought she was, and maybe Sarine isn't as light as she appears to be. Only time will tell...

Nothing, however, is written in stone, and Poe is certain to continue to surprise us in the future. I look forward to it.

-Ptrix (DNI?)

DNI = Do Not Initiate

Basically it means "Hands off the n00b" and that you've proven yourself to be intelligent and worthy of conversation.

I apologize in advance if this doesn't make much sense. I have trouble putting my thoughts into words. Please bear with me.

Meji is Sarine's daughter. Sarine has to kill Errants because, for some reason, Meji's power relies on the life force of Errants, and most of them don't know it. If she kills enough Errants, Meji will be forced to confront Sarine. I suspect Sarine has a sword or some other weapon that can take out Meji if she's weak enough.

*counts rpg cliches of the last post on both hands.*

Naw its been done to death. In the final fantasy series alone.

well i at first thought we were still in "modern time" and mabey the remark about the half elfs not being minoritys is because the other races don't consider there are enough to count them as a minority. I thought that the half elfs were rare, thanks to purges.

I am not sure now tho, cause if there were purges already hapening wouldnt meji be stepping a bit to near the line with the whole "super insane demi-god" ambitions? possibly she thinks herself safe behind the schools walls, but if I were being prosecuted for the dangerous power-mad and often murderous impulses of my race, I would stay under the radar as much as possible.

Now that was a seriously good read. Interesting if it turns out to be true also.

Though coherent, it's probably untrue. We've been led to believe that the entire Sarine-Darren storyline coincides with Meji figuring out what to do for her final project, which, as the scene progression implies, occurs seven thousand years after Sarine was pregnant (presumably with an errant).

That, and is it really so safe to assume that all errants are half-elves and vice versa?
Sarine's lover/husband/whomever of seven thousand years ago stated otherwise, that all errants are in fact half-elves, but not all half-elves are necessarily errants.

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*Shrug* I never played them. Tried FF7 once and got bored within five minutes. And in any case, Wed seems to have invalidated my theory. Win some, lose some.

But on the other hand, everything that Sarine's [husband?] says about the Errants is spoken with a hint of something between 'wishful thinking' and flat out denial, and that's most likely because he doesn't seem to be brave or emotionally strong enough to handle/accept the high possibility that his child may end up like "...one of those Errants, the really messed up ones...".

With that in mind, exactly how reliable can we say he is, if we were to look at him as an unbiased/objective source of knowledge about the Errants?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ptrix on 2002-12-26 02:06 ]</font>

That's a good point, but it's also true that Meji clearly isn't feared seven thousand years in the future, indicating one of two things: 1) Meji is an Errant and all knowledge of them has been lost in the annals of history or 2) Meji isn't an errant and everyone has full knowledge of their existence and the imminent danger that follows them.

If the first guess is true, it's clear that Sarine's husband's/lover's words at least contained a seed of truth, however inaccurate. If the second is true, your theory, that Meji's subplot is actually transpiring prior to Sarine's first (only?) pregnancy, is confirmed.

Off topic, my bad...

Hey, Markt18...
http://forums.kyhm.com/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=3&1

There... that's been waiting for you, it would seem...

-BiShouNenKaMi
Pass on the knowledge.

i must admit that i found your post to be somewhat confusing, so i'll try to work things out for the both of us...

For the sake of simplicity, i'll give the multiple timelines the following treatment:

Young Meji - Past (at least 2 years before 'present')

Pregnant Sarine - Present

Slayer Sarine - Future (at least 2000 years after 'present')

(Also for the sake of simplicity, i've made the assumption that the Purges/ Errant-Elven Wars began the same year that Meji gave rise to the Errant population.)

What i don't understand about your post is that (pt.1): Working with conservative figures (as explained breifly above), there is a minimum total timespan (is that a word?) of 2002 years. I've no idea where you pulled "7000" years from.

(pt. 2): If you are/have been following anything that i've writted about earlier, and were writing within the context of my theory, than both of the two scenarios you described would be false, because in (#1) Meji became an [the original?] Errant in the 'past', not '[seven thousand years in] the future' as you say, and even then, in the 'future' timeline, the Errants are still a valid threat, and would still be percieved as such by pure-blood Elves such as Sarine.

(#2) There is no evidence that shows that as time passes, Errant half-elves 'lose' their ["Errancy"?], as you seem to state in regard to Meji in the "future" timeline. in fact, Darren himself is evidence to the contrary. Furthermore, NOT everyone would be aware of the Errant threat in the future, except for the pure-blood Elves, (including Sarine herself), due to their longevity. Don't forget that Darren, while seemingly an outcast because of suspicion of his Elven heritage, DID live among humans, showing that in the timespan between the 'present' and the 'future' timelines, most humans have forgotton... (...but there may be another [human] main character to enter the story that IS aware of the events of the 'past'...)

I hope that wasn't too confusing... and that it made sense. i also hope that by defending my theory so fiercely, that i'm not coming across as a jerk. if i am, than i apologize.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ptrix on 2002-12-26 04:13 ]</font>

Well. You can't really say one person's
theory is false by using evidence from your
own theory. (The timeline and Meji
placement.) After all, it hasn't been
confirmed yet, so you can't take it as
granted. He was wrong about the seven
thousand years bit, though.

Even though your theory has some appeal to
it, there may be a chance that Meji is in a
future that has forgotten Errants almost
entirely, and that her demonic/angelic
superform listed on her character sheet may
be her Errant form [that she manages to tap
into as part of her project of trying to
become a demigod]. Which would probably
attract the attention of Sarine and who
knows how many other elvish assassins.
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I see where we would have to assume that Meji comes before the pregnant Sarine if there is no record of errants and purges yet. Perhaps I’ve been misled, but I was under the impression that Meji was Sarine's daughter. If that holds to be true then we've got some timing issues here to deal with concerning your theory (not to mention we also have time issues with Poe "just how old is Meji anyways"). We don't know what time the "Psychotic Mage Chick" story starts. Is it before the Prologue? 17 years after the Prologue? Or 2000 years after the Prologue?

Just something to add; assuming Ptrix's theory is correct, then possibly Darren will be a character (maybe under a different name, to keep up the suspense?) in the Meji storyline, and the Sarine-hunter/killer storyline was actually the chronological "end" to the story.