ZOMBIE FORUMS

That's readily evident just reading any American history text book. You won't find much mention of the "United Empire Loyalists" in American text books. The American Revolution is spun in American History texts to reflect American political dogma. You read an American History textbook and it makes it sound like everyone living in the states was under brutal oppression from England and wanted to revolt. That wasn't the case. For the average Joe it made no difference who their governor was. It made no difference to them if they were ruled by the local elite or ruled by Britan. Who wanted the American Revolution? Who were the founding fathers? Rich white land-owners who realized they could become a whole lot richer if they formed their own little empire instead of being subjects of the British empire. They bought their "freedom" with the blood of their country-men often conscripted against their will to fight against an enemy they couldn't give two shits about. The United Empire Loyalists were people loyal to England who opposed the revolution. Tens of thousands of them were publically tortured, raped, and slaughtered. You won't find much mention of this in American text books. Many thousands of United Empire Loyalists fled to Canada and settled here had they not escaped to tell their stories nobody would have ever known the suffering of so many innocent men, women, and children.

Then there's the War of 1812. Watch an American documentary on the war and a Canadian documentary and it will seem like it was two different wars. The American documentaries tend to ignore things like "Manifest Destiny" or that it was the Americans who invaded Canada. They tend to paint the war of 1812 as some bizarre insanity that Canada suffered that caused them to suddenly invade the US and cause trouble for no reason what-so-ever so the US had to fight them back. They also tend to paint the War of 1812 as a US victory. I suppose it is a victory in that the US was not conquered before it could sue for peace, but the objective of the US agression in 1812 was to bring all of the western hemisphere under the flag of the American Empire.

They had figured that Canada would make an easy target. There were not many forces in Canada (which wasn't a nation at the time) and England was involved in it's own war in Europe and could not afford to send reinforcements to protect it's interests in the west. Even England had written off Canada as an acceptable loss.

Luckily Canada had an ally the Americans didn't count on. The first nations people joined the fight on the side of the Canada with promises of a nation of their own forged on captured American soil. Canada not only repelled the invaders but brought the war to American soil. The American capitol burned and its government fled.

Unfortunately for the first nations people the British government aggreed to a peace treaty which returned captured soil back to the Americans. Without the aid of the natives, Canada would have surely fallen yet as usual the politicians went back on their word and royally (no pun intended) screwed them as a thank you.

Of course another difference between American and Canadian text books is Canadian text books will actually tell you that without the aid of the natives Canada would not exist today and we repaid their assistance with betrayal. You don't often see American history portraying it's own darkness. Sure there's the whole "slavery" thing. Even that is spun as an American triumph of good over evil. The truth is slavery was just one of many factors that lead to the American Civil war and that Abraham Lincoln emancipated the slaves only because he saw it as a neccesity to preserve the union.

Of course the one undeniable thread that weaves all throught this is that Madadric has the mad art skillz.

Of course you wouldn't see much about loyalist in a American history book.It's like that saying says "One man's traitor is another man's patriot." Nobody really likes to dwell on traitors.But you can't just say the war happened because some guys thought they could make more money if they broke away from England.It was alot of factors but the main point being that England was on one side of the Atlantic and America on the other.That war would have happened sooner or later.Besides when we started that war we didn't start out looking for independence.In fact most of the Second continental congress was shocked at the idea of breaking away from england.We were hoping to get a deal like you canadians got but the king didn't listen to us.

Now the war of 1812 was all just fucked up.The feud between America and england was still going strong especially since england was messing around with our commerce and messing around with france.And while Canada was able to throw us back we still kicked everybody's ass on the seas and we won the battle of new orleans which made sure that the brits would follow the peace treaty.And it was british troops that burnt our capital not canadian.

haha, you're welcome shinigami.

iv'e promised Clay i'd do one for him next, once he PM's me a general description of what he wants.

for all you others who have requested a mad-drawn avatar, and have slipped through the cracks of laziness, PM me with descriptions and i'll get around to it...hopefully.

as for what i use, mosly, nowadays i use my graphire2 tablet and the oekakiBBS at various websites around the traps. one of them is Nairohe's over at her website, which is where i did the shinigami one.

Australian sttlers were absolute bastards when we first got here. In tasmania, my home state, the local population was killed off, apart from a few who were bred out i think...

there was a lot of controversy about the 'stolen generation' where the govornment's policy was to take aboriginal children, and raise them in 'white society' away from their families and such.

...i can't believe a thread with my name in the title turned into a semi-political discussion...that's just funny.

Your work somehow starts political debates.
Draw another picture and make a thread so we can see if a discussion on Capital punishment starts up!

Something like a guy killing another guy. And then we'll talk about the morals of killing. And then about the fact that the US (I'm not sure which others, please tell me if you know) government kills people. And then about the fact that we should really be having these discussions in the debate forum, but we won't anyway.

I'm just smiling to myself, because right now this thread is right next to 'Hooray for Eronarn' on the threads list. "Three cheers for Madadric; Hooray for Eronarn!"

Just to let you know, Lincoln did not free a single slave. The confederate states were no longer under U.S. law at the time of th Emancipation Proclomation. The Confederate states were the only states with slaves, so a Union law freed all slaves in a country without any. The cival war wasn't even about slavery. Slavery is just the excuse put in the books. Anyways, on the subject of propoganda and all, read the book 1984. It will open your eyes about a great deal of things politically.

incorrect on slavery's locale, Slavery was nation wide, just there weren't "chain gang" slaves in the north, but the rich people of new england still had slaves kept as house servants, and such. Tho, if I remember correctly, the Proclamation had some clause in it that freed the "Slaves in rebelling states" or something like that. In the eyes of the Union, the south wasn't an independant country and never managed to "succeed," but were more like a block of states throwing one huge ass temper tantrum.

-Rae

Yes, you are correct Rae. I don't know where my head was. The proclomation only freed the southern slaves, so it freed none.