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The time ninjas spend their short lifetimes fighting each other and killing people who basically can't fight back.


This is an important point here and is the prime source of Anita's scorn of many of the monks. They've gotten sloppy, including Warrel. They've become too dependent on Time Magic to win their battles for them. They might know one or two new tricks but it won't take long for Sarine to ad hoc a counter strategy for them, especially since she has witnessed their main trick, Time Magic. She probably already had counter-tactics for that before she even fired that blast.

Ensigerum may have developed Time Magic on their own but what you want to bet that it is already known to the Elves and they just failed to teach the Ensigerum? After all, what fun is there in watching a duel when both opponents are doing the time fugue? If this is the case, the Ensigerum (Warrel) are in for a nasty surprise.

Still don't know which way Sara is going to hop though. Here's hoping for more clues tomorrow, if not the final answer.

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I think a key question here is why the Elves don't use time magic. It strikes me as very unlikely that the Elves wouldn't have over the thousands of years they've been around dabbled with manipulating time. They're a very arrogant and conceited lot, incredibly sure of themselves, and so what is it about time magic that would keep them from using it?

My suspicion is that there's something easily neutralizable about it by a trained magician who knows what they're doing. The Ensigerum really hasn't gone up against any experienced magicians since they developed time magic, and it's not clear they've bothered to research countermeaures against their own trick.

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From what I gathered those side effects make the Durus Flamma less that ideal for battles, where hundreds or thousands are swinging swords, yelling, firing off blasts of magic and overloading the brain of the person using the Durus Flamma. But, the hightened senses are a plus in a duel, like this situation where Sarine will be toe to toe with one, maybe two people. Well, an advantage as long as Jon doesn't go all Chow Yun Fat and starts blasting off with his pistols while jumping through the air.

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I can remember reading somewhere that time magic was something that the Ensigerium taught themselves, as it was something not even the elves would dare touch.

Ah, must have forgot that. The basic Durus Flamma sensory enhancement should still help when fighting them, though - time magic just sounds like to me something the Ensigerum would have learned through obsessing with the properties of the blades in the past. (Moreso than an elf.)


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When an elf channeled energy into the sword to keep it active, for some reason, it caused the elf's senses to be greatly magnified. <b>They were increased so much, in fact, that it actually became difficult to concentrate on fighting while using one. Imagine trying to swing a sword around while strobe lights are flashing in front of your eyes, air horns are being blasted right in your ears, and electric shocks are going through your skin. </b> However (and I say this only to avoid the inevitable speculation on it), humans and some half elves do not seem to suffer these effects to the same extent.

It is this effect that kept the weapon from ever really being used for any sort of conventional combat by the elves. However, somewhere along the line <b>it started being used as a weapon for duels since the weapon's effect, while still quite detrimental, actually would add an extra level to the fighting. With the weapons, the match was no longer decided just by which person was more skilled with a sword, but also by which had the greater degree of focus and concentration.</b>


It isn't an enhancement. It isn't helpful. It is a tremedus liability for an elf to use one of those blades. Sarine has no choice because the humans are using them, but that doesn't mean it gives her any advantages at all.


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There could be numerous reasons why time magic is generally verboten.

It could accelerate aging or cause wounds to heal improperly. Of course, aging isn't much of an issue where elves are concerned, unless perhaps pregnancy is involved. And even then I doubt it would do much; obviously the Ensigerum aren't experiencing any real issues from aging by using time magic.

It could also be incredibly dangerous to the user; something gets out of sync and the caster explodes, or somebody accelerates himself uncontrollably and it's as if he hit a concrete wall just trying to move forward against the air, etc. Just imagine what would happen if only part of you was accelerated while the rest of you remained in normal or less-accelerated time. I would imagine you have to be very disciplined and know exactly what you're doing to mess with time magic.

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Even if you have to know what you're doing to mess with time magic, you could just as easily know what you're doing enough to attach it to a device that allows for easy control by someone only moderately trained.

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Even if you have to know what you're doing to mess with time magic, you could just as easily know what you're doing enough to attach it to a device that allows for easy control by someone only moderately trained.

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I find the idea of a time magic wielding Sarine to be a scary, scary thing. Doesn't mean I dont want to see it though >_>

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If I understand this right, these time ninja bastards know how to use their magic but fail to grasp the underlying nature of their powers. It could be like how the average computer user can run programs and get porn off the internet but can't understand the actual code or machine language. Sarine, however, has had time to learn the magical arts from the surface all the way down.

This should be interesting indeed.

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Just a random thought...

What if the reason we haven't seen any Elven Time magic is because they are physically unable to pull it off? A side effect of immortality, kind of like half-elf magic resistance.

It sort of makes sense. Elven bodies are generally unaffected by the passage of time, so maybe temporal accelerations/decelerations just don't do anything useful.

Warrel could move as fast as he wants, but if he can't make Sarine's body (or at least pieces of it...) move at the same speed - you get that indestructible "air = concrete" effect that IM mentioned.

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I'm just waiting for warrel to get goin with Sarine, take a breather and find a gun barrel againt his temple.

"Heh, Dodge this." *Blam* *splatter/seep* *thump*
Someone get a mop...


Of course theres the whole Sara thing stopping this, but damnit a guy can dream.


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Now that you mention it, this is an very good time to steal crap from the matrix. Have Sarine dodge a bunch of crazy shit, then get warrel brains blown out.

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I would prefer for Sarine to dodge nothing. Warrel does a bunch of blindingly fast zigging and zagging and fancy swordwork... and Sarine cuts him down in a single stroke.

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Sara's been with the crazy time-bending monks for years now, looooong enough to be beaten and brainwashed into doing whatever they ask of her. I doubt she's gonna be willing to dump the only family and sense of belonging she knows now to decide all of a sudden to help the brother that's been gone nearly half her life.

I don't know if anyone has said that yet, but if they have, whoops, I didn't read the whole thread.


Edit: oh damn, sorry I didn't think me and my faulty long term memory would get quoted that many times. Stay in school, kids, and don't do drugs! They mess with your braaaaain!

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I would prefer for Sarine to dodge nothing. Warrel does a bunch of blindingly fast zigging and zagging and fancy swordwork... and Sarine cuts him down in a single stroke.


Like Indiana Jones, when he showed that he had a Black Belt in 45 Colt?

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Slamlander wrote:
Labrat wrote:
I would prefer for Sarine to dodge nothing. Warrel does a bunch of blindingly fast zigging and zagging and fancy swordwork... and Sarine cuts him down in a single stroke.


Like Indiana Jones, when he showed that he had a Black Belt in 45 Colt?


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I'm just waiting for warrel to get goin with Sarine, take a breather and ...

And the scene changes to the siblings making up for lost time. I totally agree with that direction.

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Like Indiana Jones, when he showed that he had a Black Belt in 45 Colt?

Thank you captain, that was obviously nessesary to point out, just in case someone didn't remember the movie.


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How about if Sarine beats Warrel, Sara jumps in to try and save Warrel but also gets beaten by Sarine, and then just as Sarine is about to deliver the coup de grace to Sara, Jon, who by this time has finally realized that she is his little sister, *puts a (non-lethal) bullet into Sarine* to save Sara, and in doing so finally wakes her up?

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How about if Sarine beats Warrel, Sara jumps in to try and save Warrel but also gets beaten by Sarine, and then just as Sarine is about to deliver the coup de grace to Sara, Jon, who by this time has finally realized that she is his little sister, *puts a (non-lethal) bullet into Sarine* to save Sara, and in doing so finally wakes her up?


You fail it.

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Like Indiana Jones, when he showed that he had a Black Belt in 45 Colt?

Thank you captain, that was obviously nessesary to point out, just in case someone didn't remember the movie.

Is this the version in which Greedo shoots first?

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How about if Sarine beats Warrel, Sara jumps in to try and save Warrel but also gets beaten by Sarine, and then just as Sarine is about to deliver the coup de grace to Sara, Jon, who by this time has finally realized that she is his little sister, *puts a (non-lethal) bullet into Sarine* to save Sara, and in doing so finally wakes her up?

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Like Indiana Jones, when he showed that he had a Black Belt in 45 Colt?

Thank you captain, that was obviously nessesary to point out, just in case someone didn't remember the movie.


First, some people haven't seen the movie. So yes, it might have been necessary. Second, you have the wrong name quoting that sentence. It was Slamlander, not me.


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Man I hope Sarine pulls some divination type magic because that would be all too funny.

"My magic senses tell me you'll end up here after you screw time and run at me...

Oh, dear..

You just ran Mach 3 into my Durus Flamma. That had to hurt."


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