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Obviously that is Ellis transformed into a Sarine doppelganger, which is why she is getting her ass kicked.


The Sarine we've seen thus far in this fight has certainly talked e-fucking-nough to be an Ellis doppelganger.


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You know, all the posts today have one thing in common, this one doesn't act like Sarine. Sarine wouldn't have done it that way and she certainly wouldn't have expected Jon to handle Sara, knowing how Jon is about magic. There is, hopefuly, something else going on here.

I half expecting and half hoping that this Sarine fades into mist and the real Sarine blasts Warrel from behind. Otherwise, there isn't much hope for Sarine.

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There is also the possibility that Sarine knew she was in over her head, but didn't want to let Jon die (which she believed would have hapened if she didn't intervene). Her initial plan was to blast Warrel from safety. It would have worked, too, had it not been for Sara coming back at an inoportune moment. The 'I wanted to talk to you anyway' line is a dead giveaway of things not going the way you want them to and trying to bluff your way through.

Sarine couldn't run after being found, so she tried to bluff. The bluff didn't work as well as she could have hoped, and now she is getting beaten. But her 'not acting like herself' is just that, acting. She bluffed, and her bluff was called.

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You know, all the posts today have one thing in common, this one doesn't act like Sarine. Sarine wouldn't have done it that way and she certainly wouldn't have expected Jon to handle Sara, knowing how Jon is about magic. There is, hopefuly, something else going on here.


I can't for the life of me figure out why everyone is saying this.

1) She went into the battle feeling cocky because she trained the Ensigerum's founders. That, coupled with the fact that she's an Elf and basically has a superiority complex <i>hard-coded into her genes</i>*, regardless of what she may say, makes her comments at the beginning of the battle make sense to me.

2) It can't be Ellis, unless Sarine can transform him and then mentally dominate him remotely so that she can use the body to respond to Warrel. Note, in particular, the part a couple of strips back where she informs Jon that the weapons are elven made. Ellis wouldn't know all of this shit.

3) Everyone seems terribly surprised that she's getting her ass kicked by a human. Keep in mind that the human can move 20 times faster than even she can, and he's healed himself of Jon's shotgun wound.

4) Everyone assumes that Sarine saw all the crazy time ninja-ing when Jon was getting his ass kicked. Here's a thought: What if she didn't? She was looking at Jon when he fired the rifle, so it's possible she only heard the sound of the bullet being knocked away and didn't see how the time ninja blocked it. She was over on the ledge next to Jon in the next strip, but I doubt she got there before the bullet made its way to the target. Warrel didn't jump out of the blast so much as just jump and get blown away by the shockwave. He landed on his feet, but I don't think he time-magic'd his way out of that. He also jumped straight up to Jon, but that part wasn't time magic either, and by this time Sarine has vanished along with Ellis. Perhaps she went to the roof, then came back for Jon. This means she didn't see <i>any</i> time magic until that bastard started tearing her apart.






*She's not as bad as her superiors, of course, but she still has it.


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She went into the battle feeling cocky because she trained the Ensigerum's founders. That, coupled with the fact that she's an Elf and basically has a superiority complex hard-coded into her genes*, regardless of what she may say, makes her comments at the beginning of the battle make sense to me.


That doesn't jibe with how she responded to Crazy Elf Guard Guy or with Misa when she was returning to Elftopia - there was no "I'll stand here with a stunned expression on my face", there was instantaneous adrenaline and retaliatory responses. She knows how to fight and not die, she wouldn't fight like this at all.

I'm still going with, it's Misa, or maybe Ellis dressed up in a killer illusion spell.


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That doesn't jibe with how she responded to Crazy Elf Guard Guy or with Misa when she was returning to Elftopia - there was no "I'll stand here with a stunned expression on my face", there was instantaneous adrenaline and retaliatory responses. She knows how to fight and not die, she wouldn't fight like this at all.

I'm still going with, it's Misa, or maybe Ellis dressed up in a killer illusion spell.


They were elves. She was expecting a hard fight. *shrug*


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You know, all the posts today have one thing in common, this one doesn't act like Sarine. Sarine wouldn't have done it that way and she certainly wouldn't have expected Jon to handle Sara, knowing how Jon is about magic. There is, hopefuly, something else going on here.

I half expecting and half hoping that this Sarine fades into mist and the real Sarine blasts Warrel from behind. Otherwise, there isn't much hope for Sarine.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Sure there is, Warren is going to be bludgened to death with a Deus Ex Machina.


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She went into the battle feeling cocky because she trained the Ensigerum's founders. That, coupled with the fact that she's an Elf and basically has a superiority complex hard-coded into her genes*, regardless of what she may say, makes her comments at the beginning of the battle make sense to me.


That doesn't jibe with how she responded to Crazy Elf Guard Guy or with Misa when she was returning to Elftopia - there was no "I'll stand here with a stunned expression on my face", there was instantaneous adrenaline and retaliatory responses. She knows how to fight and not die, she wouldn't fight like this at all.

I'm still going with, it's Misa, or maybe Ellis dressed up in a killer illusion spell.

There is a difference between how you react, to somebody who tries slice and dice you with a ceremonial blade, and someone who does slice and dice you with a ceremonial blade. Standing, or falling as it may be, with a dumb expression, is a perfectly reasonable reaction to being mortally wounded (in the absence of healing and with reservation for poetic license on the authors part).


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There is a difference between how you react, to somebody who tries slice and dice you with a ceremonial blade, and someone who does slice and dice you with a ceremonial blade. Standing, or falling as it may be, with a dumb expression, is a perfectly reasonable reaction to being mortally wounded (in the absence of healing and with reservation for poetic license on the authors part).


Like, say, the mortal wounding of having your arm damn near cut off by a crazy surprise attack by an elf with a durus flamma, which caused nearly instant fight-or-flight adrenaline and a severe asskicking?

Instead, we have shocked look, time for Warrel to gloat, cast spell, THEN attack. After the blow to her leg, would she still be underestimating Warrel like that?

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Not even time for Warrel to gloat, but enough slow time for him to walk back to her from behind her, and gloat. These are NOT the responses of a 3000yo elite warrior elf, this is someone unused to combat.


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There is a difference between how you react, to somebody who tries slice and dice you with a ceremonial blade, and someone who does slice and dice you with a ceremonial blade. Standing, or falling as it may be, with a dumb expression, is a perfectly reasonable reaction to being mortally wounded (in the absence of healing and with reservation for poetic license on the authors part).


Like, say, the mortal wounding of having your arm damn near cut off by a crazy surprise attack by an elf with a durus flamma, which caused nearly instant fight-or-flight adrenaline and a severe asskicking?

OK, I didn't remember that, then yes, she does appear to react markedly differently to similar situations.

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Instead, we have shocked look, time for Warrel to gloat, cast spell, THEN attack. After the blow to her leg, would she still be underestimating Warrel like that?

You lost me there. I'm not sure what the spell did/was supposed to do, but I don't see how casting a spell and then attacking means she's underestimating Warrel.

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hese are NOT the responses of a 3000yo elite warrior elf, this is someone unused to combat.

Actually that's the reactions of any remotly normal person, but I'll grant you that her earlier fight seems to indicate she's slightly abnormal in that respect.


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There is a difference between how you react, to somebody who tries slice and dice you with a ceremonial blade, and someone who does slice and dice you with a ceremonial blade. Standing, or falling as it may be, with a dumb expression, is a perfectly reasonable reaction to being mortally wounded (in the absence of healing and with reservation for poetic license on the authors part).


Like, say, the mortal wounding of having your arm damn near cut off by a crazy surprise attack by an elf with a durus flamma, which caused nearly instant fight-or-flight adrenaline and a severe asskicking?

Instead, we have shocked look, time for Warrel to gloat, cast spell, THEN attack. After the blow to her leg, would she still be underestimating Warrel like that?

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Not even time for Warrel to gloat, but enough slow time for him to walk back to her from behind her, and gloat. These are NOT the responses of a 3000yo elite warrior elf, this is someone unused to combat.


Her reflexes are excellent against a normal opponent when fighting uninjured in a fight she expected. She does not react so well to being forced to eat her confident words <i>and having her leg cut in half</i>.

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Perhaps she went to the roof, then came back for Jon. This means she didn't see <i>any</i> time magic until that bastard started tearing her apart.


Lets make the assumption that when the Ensigerum zip blurrily from place to place and deflect multiple bullets they're using time-magic (since it seems unlikely for them to have time-magic and super-speed). So...

Sarine, Jon and a tied-up Ellis are on a ledge. Jon shoots, Ninja reveals himself. Jon says run, but Sarine (and tied-up Ellis) have vanished. Ninja uses time-magic to jump up on ledge instantly. Jon shoots. Ninja uses time-magic to deflect bullets. Jon and Ninja jump to ground. Jon shoots Ninja. Jon tries to shoot Ninja again, but Ninja uses time-magic to get away. Sarine is revealed still on ledge and blasts Ninja. Ninja jumps away (with time-magic?).

So, during all this, Sarine is somehow supposed to have not noticed that this person is moving faster than the eye can follow?

The idea that it's really Ellis is an interesting one, but seems unlikely from the conversation (and she would have had to untie and un-ball-gag him before transforming him - a lot of work). The idea that she's 'pretending' to be losing while her plan comes together is possible. We still don't have quite enough information to know what's going on here, but an experienced ranger like Sarine, no matter how arrogant, doesn't watch people porting instantaneously from place to place and deflecting bullets and not realise that she's facing an opponent who moves improbably quick.


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Sure there is, Warren is going to be bludgened to death with a Deus Ex Machina.

"Rocks fall, but only one of you dies"?


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2) It can't be Ellis, unless Sarine can transform him and then mentally dominate him remotely so that she can use the body to respond to Warrel. Note, in particular, the part a couple of strips back where she informs Jon that the weapons are elven made. Ellis wouldn't know all of this shit.

Oh man. That was a joke, you dork.

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It does raise the question of; just what *is* Ellis doing?


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Lying somewhere with a ball gag in his mouth?


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Sarine's only hope is that, when she cast that spell in the first panel she performed some sort of switch and the Sarine we see getting sliced isn't the real Sarine and is maybe a doppleganger of some sort. In which case, today's strip may have a surprise ... or a new chapter.

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Man, the joke sure would be on us if Sarine does just totally get offed in this fight. :smith:

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Man, the joke sure would be on us if Sarine does just totally get offed in this fight. :smith:


The name Boromir comes to mind..


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Haha, you know what would be funny as fuck? If Sarine lost because Warrel was sloppy. I mean, think about it. She may very well have seen his time-ninja fu and thought of a way to blind and cut in half someone who was using the proper Ensigerum technique. But, because Warrel would rather just casually walk around her and slice her up, his body isn't in the positions she would assume it is, since she knows their fighting style.

That would make me laugh so fucking hard........

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