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Do dragons even exist in poeverse?

Maybe. Meji wanted Ellis to turn into a giant black dragon.

Adamantium, however, currently doesn't exist.


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Do dragons even exist in poeverse?


Actually, Dragons don't make sense. There are no six-limbed vertibrates that would support the evolution of Dragons. That's true in RL as well. Instead, we have birds, a four-limbed vertebrate. We can also have Wyverns, another four-limbed vertebrate. Dragons, with their four legs and two wings, are a six-limbed vertebrate and are not a real option in our evolutionary bio-sphere. I suspect that it would stretch our suspension of disbelief too much.

In MaCaffrey's 'Pern books' ("Dragonriders of Pern", etc) she had an entire eco/bio system filled with various six-limbed vertebrates from which the Dragons were derived via genetic manipulation. Of course, that is SciFi where the rules of these things are much stricter than in fantasy.

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a wizard did it.


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Slamlander wrote:
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Do dragons even exist in poeverse?


Actually, Dragons don't make sense. There are no six-limbed vertibrates that would support the evolution of Dragons. That's true in RL as well. Instead, we have birds, a four-limbed vertebrate. We can also have Wyverns, another four-limbed vertebrate. Dragons, with their four legs and two wings, are a six-limbed vertebrate and are not a real option in our evolutionary bio-sphere. I suspect that it would stretch our suspension of disbelief too much.

In MaCaffrey's 'Pern books' ("Dragonriders of Pern", etc) she had an entire eco/bio system filled with various six-limbed vertebrates from which the Dragons were derived via genetic manipulation. Of course, that is SciFi where the rules of these things are much stricter than in fantasy.


That may be so, but considering the many types of Dragons that are drawn throughout the world, last time I checked there were also some images of Dragons with four limbs but the front two were winged like how bats and other flying animals are set up. It might be inconcieveable for a four-legged dragon with tail & wings, but a dragon with two wings/arms and two legs could fit within your model.

Of course if I could get my hands on a Dragon I would want the former instead of the latter, but beggers can't be choosers.

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Do dragons even exist in poeverse?


Actually, Dragons don't make sense. There are no six-limbed vertibrates that would support the evolution of Dragons. That's true in RL as well. Instead, we have birds, a four-limbed vertebrate. We can also have Wyverns, another four-limbed vertebrate. Dragons, with their four legs and two wings, are a six-limbed vertebrate and are not a real option in our evolutionary bio-sphere. I suspect that it would stretch our suspension of disbelief too much.

In MaCaffrey's 'Pern books' ("Dragonriders of Pern", etc) she had an entire eco/bio system filled with various six-limbed vertebrates from which the Dragons were derived via genetic manipulation. Of course, that is SciFi where the rules of these things are much stricter than in fantasy.


That may be so, but considering the many types of Dragons that are drawn throughout the world, last time I checked there were also some images of Dragons with four limbs but the front two were winged like how bats and other flying animals are set up. It might be inconcieveable for a four-legged dragon with tail & wings, but a dragon with two wings/arms and two legs could fit within your model.


That's what a wyvern is.

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Would it be horridly inapropriate, then, to point out Ellis as a 6-limbed vertibrate?

Of course it would.

Nope, no 6-limbed vertibrates in Poeverse... none... ignore the flying cat with the ballgag...


Edit: I'll also add that it would preclude basilisks (6-legged), pegusi, gargoyles, or other winged humanoids like fairies (which have also shown up in Poeverse).

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Would it be horridly inapropriate, then, to point out Ellis as a 6-limbed vertibrate?

Of course it would.

Nope, no 6-limbed vertibrates in Poeverse... none... ignore the flying cat with the ballgag...

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Would it be horridly inapropriate, then, to point out Ellis as a 6-limbed vertibrate?

Of course it would.

Nope, no 6-limbed vertibrates in Poeverse... none... ignore the flying cat with the ballgag...


Edit: I'll also add that it would preclude basilisks (6-legged), pegusi, gargoyles, or other winged humanoids like fairies (which have also shown up in Poeverse).


Ellis is a familiar, a magical construct and not a natural creature, as are almost everything else you've mentioned. :roll: :-P

Of course, if Anilis want to, she could pop out a full Dragon as well :wink:

I also mentioned something about the difference between Fantasy and Science Fiction. :roll:

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Ellis is a familiar, a magical construct and not a natural creature, as are almost everything else you've mentioned.

Of course, if Anilis want to, she could pop out a full Dragon as well

I also mentioned something about the difference between Fantasy and Science Fiction.


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Actually, Dragons don't make sense. There are no six-limbed vertibrates that would support the evolution of Dragons... I suspect that it would stretch our suspension of disbelief too much.

You're not allowed to have your cake and eat it too.


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On a totally unrelated note, it's 4am wednesday morning.

I'm dying to know what heppends! :(


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This is a poeverse, and you haven't seen anything akin to the actual living beings in the world. The only non-humanoid animals we've seen so far are a tentacle deamon and a winged cat.

I'm just going out on a limb and saying that dragons, the 6 limbed kind, and wyverns, the 4 limbed kind are well within the realm of possibility.

That said, We'll wait and see, currently it seems like dragons would be an unnecessary source of even more fantasy. Too much and the comic overloads.

Besides which, would they be proto-typical DnD dragons with high intellect? Or your standard rampaging marauder with no real intelligence to speak of.


As for the Dragons and Evolution Argument... What if they evolved past the need for wings, thus they disappeared?


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On a totally unrelated note, it's 4am wednesday morning.

I'm dying to know what heppends! :(


I suspect Poe took a day off on account of con. Wouldn't be the first time it's happened. I would guess we'll have a new comic on Wednesday... err, the usual time.

As for the current catgirl-killing argument... while six-limbed dragons are evolutionarily improbable (of course, that's not saying they're not magically improbable... or "created-by-bored-gods" improbable...), the four-limbed ones of the Far East don't seem all that unusual. Of course, these dragons would've lacked flight, a dragon-defining attribute, but I figured it was worth mentioning.


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Many eastern dragons have a magical pearl-like object on their head or other source of power that grants them the ability to fly through the air, breathe underwater, etc. Wings are not necessary for flight if you've got the right magic.

And since Ellis is a magical construct, and we know people can and have built golems (one of Meji's classmates is building one for his project), who's to say that some wizard didn't magic himself up a dragon or two?

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Wings or not... if a dragon tells you it can fly you simply stare at the 6 rows of teeth and nod "yes".

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The only non-humanoid animals we've seen so far are a tentacle deamon and a winged cat.

And horses.

Oh, and in case anyone cares, I've read a brief series of books in which dragons are extraterrestrials, so there's another option for where they might originate.


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Ellis is a familiar, a magical construct and not a natural creature, as are almost everything else you've mentioned.

Of course, if Anilis want to, she could pop out a full Dragon as well

I also mentioned something about the difference between Fantasy and Science Fiction.


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Actually, Dragons don't make sense. There are no six-limbed vertibrates that would support the evolution of Dragons... I suspect that it would stretch our suspension of disbelief too much.

You're not allowed to have your cake and eat it too.


You can too, if the context is right :wink:
Gotta be in context Vass. :wink:

I was talking about naturally occuring Dragons. Magical constructs are always an exception :wink:

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On a totally unrelated note, it's 4am wednesday morning.

I'm dying to know what heppends! :(


What the hell timezone are you in? It must be Oz, right? It's only 20:34CET here and I know that the US West Coast hasn't seen lunch yet.

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I suggest we apply lubricated vibrating objects to Meji and observe what happens.

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Are you suggesting we grease Sara up and 'apply' her to Meji? If so, I agree.

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I was talking about naturally occuring Dragons. Magical constructs are always an exception :wink:


As far as I am aware, everything in this fantasy world is a magical construct built by gods. At least, all of the ancient magic-weilding uber-races seem to think so.

Then again, Tsuiraku is no slouch in the magic department and they seem to treat it like it's nothing more than neat fancy physics, no gods involved, and that 'magical radiation' (from meteorites no less) had something to do with the evolution of different species in the world (see Meji's little rant in the gihugical library in Tsuirakushiti).

But from what we've seen so far, the people on the 'gods exist and created everything' side of things seem to have good evidence in their favor, so it's possible that everything in the world there was just conjured up ex nihlo from the minds of Anilis and Senilis. Or maybe it was just the humanoids, and everything else is naturally evolved or more recently magically created by humanoids. And there's still the question of who or what the gods are, which has been lingering in the back of my mind since chapter 1. I suspect, from Lorenzel Vol 1, that we may discover that they were some sort of aliens or beings from another plane of existence, as they were said to have come here from somewhere else, and that their creation of life here was in atonement for the damage caused in the battle that killed Exitalis. (Harkening back to that old theory of mine).

All this makes me wonder. Is Ellis an ordinary cat who was magically given wings and the ability to think and speak, or was he conjured out of thin air by some Familiar Pet Factory?

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