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Leah having a bad reaction to polymorph magic or something?

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A few seconds off. Damn. Oh well.

Seems more like an honest-to-god problem... especially given there's no noticeable difference in Leah's appearance. I think it's sort of her "pet problem." Riley's got extra components, Leah's an athsmatic, etc.


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Is it just me, or should it be "do" instead of "due"?


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Would half-elf resistance keep a person from being magically healed from consumption? If so, could be that. Asthma is more of a wheezing gasping for breath that isn't there than full blown chest-spasm that creeps up on you then floors you.

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A few seconds off. Damn. Oh well.

Seems more like an honest-to-god problem... especially given there's no noticeable difference in Leah's appearance. I think it's sort of her "pet problem." Riley's got extra components, Leah's an athsmatic, etc.

:-o If those are puking noises I see in the last panel, I'd guess she was pregnant.

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Guess Errants with problems are the rule now adays, rather then the exception.

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'Make due' can be correct... if archaic. A due being a sum of money or a budget or a tax. The word can also mean 'fitting' or 'rightful', thus explaining 'due cause' and 'due north' respectively.

It came from the french devoir which came from latin debere, both of which mean to owe.

And we see here why there aren't too many half-elves running loose these days.

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Would half-elf resistance keep a person from being magically healed from consumption? If so, could be that. Asthma is more of a wheezing gasping for breath that isn't there than full blown chest-spasm that creeps up on you then floors you.


Nah, Tuberculosis isn't due to a genetic fault. Antibiotics puts paid to that bug fairly nicely. I would guess something on the order of asthma or something similar.

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Would half-elf resistance keep a person from being magically healed from consumption? If so, could be that. Asthma is more of a wheezing gasping for breath that isn't there than full blown chest-spasm that creeps up on you then floors you.


Nah, Tuberculosis isn't due to a genetic fault. Antibiotics puts paid to that bug fairly nicely. I would guess something on the order of asthma or something similar.


I think the point was that they don't have antibiotics to put pay that bug, and therefore should someone get it the normal cure would probably be magic. Half elves being genetically resistant to magic could make the disease uncureable. Assuming, of course, that they don't have antibiotics for it.

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Would half-elf resistance keep a person from being magically healed from consumption? If so, could be that. Asthma is more of a wheezing gasping for breath that isn't there than full blown chest-spasm that creeps up on you then floors you.


Nah, Tuberculosis isn't due to a genetic fault. Antibiotics puts paid to that bug fairly nicely. I would guess something on the order of asthma or something similar.


I think the point was that they don't have antibiotics to put pay that bug, and therefore should someone get it the normal cure would probably be magic. Half elves being genetically resistant to magic could make the disease uncureable. Assuming, of course, that they don't have antibiotics for it.


Except that a magic cure wouldn't be cast on the half-elf herself, since she's not the thing that's broken; it would be cast on any little buggers inside of her. Same way antibiotics work; our bodies are naturally resistant to them, since we have rather kick ass immune systems, and that's why they don't kill us. But the little bacteria that make us sick aren't so resistant to the antibiotics, so they all die off.

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A few seconds off. Damn. Oh well.

Seems more like an honest-to-god problem... especially given there's no noticeable difference in Leah's appearance. I think it's sort of her "pet problem." Riley's got extra components, Leah's an athsmatic, etc.

:-o If those are puking noises I see in the last panel, I'd guess she was pregnant.



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Would half-elf resistance keep a person from being magically healed from consumption? If so, could be that. Asthma is more of a wheezing gasping for breath that isn't there than full blown chest-spasm that creeps up on you then floors you.


Nah, Tuberculosis isn't due to a genetic fault. Antibiotics puts paid to that bug fairly nicely. I would guess something on the order of asthma or something similar.


I think the point was that they don't have antibiotics to put pay that bug, and therefore should someone get it the normal cure would probably be magic. Half elves being genetically resistant to magic could make the disease uncureable. Assuming, of course, that they don't have antibiotics for it.


Who says they don't? Mixing up batches of herbs is very consistant with healing magic. I would wager that mages would come up with antibiotics even quicker than we did. After all, most antibiotics are only powdered mold, nothing high-tech there.

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Slamlander wrote:
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Would half-elf resistance keep a person from being magically healed from consumption? If so, could be that. Asthma is more of a wheezing gasping for breath that isn't there than full blown chest-spasm that creeps up on you then floors you.


Nah, Tuberculosis isn't due to a genetic fault. Antibiotics puts paid to that bug fairly nicely. I would guess something on the order of asthma or something similar.


I think the point was that they don't have antibiotics to put pay that bug, and therefore should someone get it the normal cure would probably be magic. Half elves being genetically resistant to magic could make the disease uncureable. Assuming, of course, that they don't have antibiotics for it.


Who says they don't? Mixing up batches of herbs is very consistant with healing magic. I would wager that mages would come up with antibiotics even quicker than we did. After all, most antibiotics are only powdered mold, nothing high-tech there.


Not that simple at all, you need to culture the stuff in large quantities and then purify it.
Reason #5006 why magic sucks, it prevents the development of tech that anyone can use.


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Forrest wrote:
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Would half-elf resistance keep a person from being magically healed from consumption? If so, could be that. Asthma is more of a wheezing gasping for breath that isn't there than full blown chest-spasm that creeps up on you then floors you.


Nah, Tuberculosis isn't due to a genetic fault. Antibiotics puts paid to that bug fairly nicely. I would guess something on the order of asthma or something similar.


I think the point was that they don't have antibiotics to put pay that bug, and therefore should someone get it the normal cure would probably be magic. Half elves being genetically resistant to magic could make the disease uncureable. Assuming, of course, that they don't have antibiotics for it.


Except that a magic cure wouldn't be cast on the half-elf herself, since she's not the thing that's broken; it would be cast on any little buggers inside of her. Same way antibiotics work; our bodies are naturally resistant to them, since we have rather kick ass immune systems, and that's why they don't kill us. But the little bacteria that make us sick aren't so resistant to the antibiotics, so they all die off.


I dont think we're resistant to antibiotics so much as that there's just a whole lot more of *you* than there are bacteria.


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Reason #5006 why magic sucks, it prevents the development of tech that anyone can use.


Judging by Tsuiraku, it doesn't seem all that different from the technological and intellectual elitism we have in our real-world society. Sure, *technically* anybody could build a working laptop, with sufficient knowledge, time and resources... but practically speaking that's just not going to happen. We relie on a lot of highly intelligent people assembling things produced by other highly intelligent people in a particularly special way to create a high-tech product which is usable by anybody.

It seems that in Tsuiraku at least, there are enough magic users around that just such an industry is possible; magic is just a special part of their physics, and those who are particularly skilled at using it produce things that are magically powerful (c.f. "high tech") but usable by anybody. And to keep the level of skilled magicians around high, they have academies like Sashi Mu to train people in the magical arts, so there will be a skilled labor force to staff the positions in Tsuiraku's magic industry.

A girl like Meji is the ES equivalent of a 1337 hax0r chick who is fond of (and adept at) blowing things up in chem lab. Which raises an interesting question: why doesn't she just screw graduating Sashi Mu and just go join the Guard with Bani? She's certainly got the combat magic to make herself useful there. Do the Guard perhaps only hire graduates?

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Do the Guard perhaps only hire graduates?

Sounds like a reasonable guess.


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Forrest wrote:
A girl like Meji is the ES equivalent of a 1337 hax0r chick who is fond of (and adept at) blowing things up in chem lab. Which raises an interesting question: why doesn't she just screw graduating Sashi Mu and just go join the Guard with Bani? She's certainly got the combat magic to make herself useful there. Do the Guard perhaps only hire graduates?

And people with a vague sense of personal discipline and ethics? Meji's not "grown up" enough for that. The Marines could knock some sense into her, but she isn't likely to volunteer for a service organization that might do that.

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Forrest wrote:
A girl like Meji is the ES equivalent of a 1337 hax0r chick who is fond of (and adept at) blowing things up in chem lab. Which raises an interesting question: why doesn't she just screw graduating Sashi Mu and just go join the Guard with Bani? She's certainly got the combat magic to make herself useful there. Do the Guard perhaps only hire graduates?


Perhaps you've forgotten but Meji's whole reason for going on this trip so she can graduate is to get money. Her grandfather is going to remove her from his will if she fails to graduate, which would force her to get a job, which is something she doesn't want to do. Her final project is two fold if she actually manages to become some sort of demi-god.If her professors fail to believe she actually accomplished her goal of becoming a demi-god, then she could simply challenge and defeat all of the schools faculty which would allow her to graduate with honors.


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Would half-elf resistance keep a person from being magically healed from consumption? If so, could be that. Asthma is more of a wheezing gasping for breath that isn't there than full blown chest-spasm that creeps up on you then floors you.


Nah, Tuberculosis isn't due to a genetic fault. Antibiotics puts paid to that bug fairly nicely. I would guess something on the order of asthma or something similar.


I think the point was that they don't have antibiotics to put pay that bug, and therefore should someone get it the normal cure would probably be magic. Half elves being genetically resistant to magic could make the disease uncureable. Assuming, of course, that they don't have antibiotics for it.


Who says they don't? Mixing up batches of herbs is very consistant with healing magic. I would wager that mages would come up with antibiotics even quicker than we did. After all, most antibiotics are only powdered mold, nothing high-tech there.


Not that simple at all, you need to culture the stuff in large quantities and then purify it.
Reason #5006 why magic sucks, it prevents the development of tech that anyone can use.


Actually, it is. Pharmacies use their processes for a multiple of reasons but the main one is to obfuscate the recipe of the drug itself. They can also control purity, and they can do mass volume. For a pure antibiotic, you can make it yourself and you don't even have to have a petri dish. Purity and quality suffers but not much and the process isn't much different than making sour-dough bread, as long as you don't need millions of measured doses.

Check out Foxglove and Digitalis, also Williow Bark and Asprin. The trick with Penicillin is to get the right mold but that's the problem with sour-dough bread as well. Beer brewers go through much the same process. Geuze, a Belgian beer, depends for its flavor, on a particular mold that only grows in a certain European valley (BTW, try it, it's really good beer, tastes a little sour though).

We've been making drugs for over three thousand years, it's low-tech, even if we have shiney high-tech toys now to help us, it's still low-tech. Herbalists knew the benefits of digitalin, found in the foxglove plant, for heart patients, since the Roman days, at least.

It is possible that even our own world's Romans used some antibiotica applied via moldy cheese. However, the minor detail of the Dark Ages obscures the record there.

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If you really want to get into a discussion of the biochemistry of antibiotics here, we can do that; there are people present who actually know something about the subject (paging Gaalec, and btw, Slamlander, I'm really impressed at the number of things you're wrong about on this one). However:

1) There is plenty of precedent in our own universe for people with conditions like Leah's that aren't caused by bugs. Any of you folks know anyone unfortunate enough to have cystic fibrosis? Purely genetic condition that produces problems like what Leah is having, if the victim is lucky enough not to croak first from the respiratory infections that CF encourages. One wonders, actually, whether one of the problems that the half-elves have is simply that they're inbred enough that genetic curses like CF show up everywhere. There's precedent for that too in real life.
2) We already know that magical practice has specializations. That's why there are battlemages, life mages, healing mages, and so on. (Wiki article needed here.) Things falling under the heading of "none of the above" will still drive the development of technology. Are there aspects of medicine in this class? Quite possibly, but if they're not germane to the story, we won't see them here.
3) We don't even know that in the Poe-verse, disease is caused by microorganisms. If you accept the existence of magic here -- and in the Poe-verse, the evidence for existence is certainly compelling -- then you should be prepared to accept the notion that at least some disease is caused by micro-daemons of non-corporeal form that can only be treated by a healing mage.

Anyway, Ian and Meji should be showing up soon to kiss it and make it better, so we'll see how Anilis-powered healing works on these little curiosities.

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