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I'm thinking that it isn't vengence but deeply felt angst and pain. That sort of thing doesn't have a specific target to be lashed out at. Rather, anything can be a target.


My god he is going to start an emo band isn't he...


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I'm thinking that it isn't vengence but deeply felt angst and pain. That sort of thing doesn't have a specific target to be lashed out at. Rather, anything can be a target.


My god he is going to start an emu band isn't he...


What do flightless fowl have to do with it????

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I just noticed something. The last five or six chapters have had anywhere from 13 to 19 pages of content following the chapter title page.

This one was the 14th page after the title.

He's not really going to leave this hanging here, is he?...

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I'm thinking that it isn't vengence but deeply felt angst and pain. That sort of thing doesn't have a specific target to be lashed out at. Rather, anything can be a target.


My god he is going to start an emu band isn't he...


What do flightless fowl have to do with it????

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Cute how the board changes the O to a U, I even though I mistyped and so was going to edit the post but in teh edit section it shows as an O


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I seem to recall Poe telling me that the record for self-levitation is about 3 minutes or so in Tsuiraku.

I'd imagine that creation of floating objects is much easier than self-levitation. There are a number of approaches here in the real world for keeping something stationary in the air, even without magic. Getting oneself into the air is the trick no one has really managed yet. All our human "flights" are essentially either sustained jumps or sustained falls. I see no reason for the magical equivalents to be much different.

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I seem to recall Poe telling me that the record for self-levitation is about 3 minutes or so in Tsuiraku.

I'd imagine that creation of floating objects is much easier than self-levitation. There are a number of approaches here in the real world for keeping something stationary in the air, even without magic. Getting oneself into the air is the trick no one has really managed yet. All our human "flights" are essentially either sustained jumps or sustained falls. I see no reason for the magical equivalents to be much different.

Brilliant! Sound abstract analysis!

:-) :-) :-)

Even walking, for us bipeds, is not much more than a controlled fall.

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I seem to recall Poe telling me that the record for self-levitation is about 3 minutes or so in Tsuiraku.

I'd imagine that creation of floating objects is much easier than self-levitation. There are a number of approaches here in the real world for keeping something stationary in the air, even without magic. Getting oneself into the air is the trick no one has really managed yet. All our human "flights" are essentially either sustained jumps or sustained falls. I see no reason for the magical equivalents to be much different.

^-^'


Induced diamagnetic levitation.

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I seem to recall Poe telling me that the record for self-levitation is about 3 minutes or so in Tsuiraku.

I'd imagine that creation of floating objects is much easier than self-levitation. There are a number of approaches here in the real world for keeping something stationary in the air, even without magic. Getting oneself into the air is the trick no one has really managed yet. All our human "flights" are essentially either sustained jumps or sustained falls. I see no reason for the magical equivalents to be much different.

Brilliant! Sound abstract analysis!

:-) :-) :-)

Even walking, for us bipeds, is not much more than a controlled fall.


Hence all the hopping robots at the MIT Robot Lab. :wink:

Airplanes fly because their lift pushes them up faster than gravity can bring them down.

The only exceptions are Balloons, Dirigables and Submarines. Both are lighter than the medium in which they travel and operate on boyancy. But we really started to get somewhere when we started using heavier than air craft. If we get the same sort of dynamic in the sea then we should get some really exciting submersibles. :-D

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Imp-Chan wrote:
I seem to recall Poe telling me that the record for self-levitation is about 3 minutes or so in Tsuiraku.

I'd imagine that creation of floating objects is much easier than self-levitation. There are a number of approaches here in the real world for keeping something stationary in the air, even without magic. Getting oneself into the air is the trick no one has really managed yet. All our human "flights" are essentially either sustained jumps or sustained falls. I see no reason for the magical equivalents to be much different.
^-^'


Hmmm ... What's your definition of human flight? In 1979, a fellow named Matthew Webb flew across the English Channel in a vehicle (the Gossamer Albatross) powered entirely by his own muscles. He was in the air for three hours.

Now, it's obvious that a human body is going to require some sort of auxiliary apparatus, probably something much like wings, to become and stay airborn without external power for any time. But I'd think that using a muscle-powered contraption like this would easily qualify as flying.

OTOH, Ian seems to have some form of jet-assisted takeoff. Maybe he had some really powerful beans for lunch?


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I just noticed something. The last five or six chapters have had anywhere from 13 to 19 pages of content following the chapter title page.

This one was the 14th page after the title.

He's not really going to leave this hanging here, is he?...


One can only hope :-P

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Slamlander wrote:
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I seem to recall Poe telling me that the record for self-levitation is about 3 minutes or so in Tsuiraku.

I'd imagine that creation of floating objects is much easier than self-levitation. There are a number of approaches here in the real world for keeping something stationary in the air, even without magic. Getting oneself into the air is the trick no one has really managed yet. All our human "flights" are essentially either sustained jumps or sustained falls. I see no reason for the magical equivalents to be much different.

Brilliant! Sound abstract analysis!
:-) :-) :-)
Even walking, for us bipeds, is not much more than a controlled fall.

Hence all the hopping robots at the MIT Robot Lab. :wink:

Airplanes fly because their lift pushes them up faster than gravity can bring them down.

The only exceptions are Balloons, Dirigables and Submarines. Both are lighter than the medium in which they travel and operate on boyancy. But we really started to get somewhere when we started using heavier than air craft. If we get the same sort of dynamic in the sea then we should get some really exciting submersibles. :-D

The primary barrier to dynamic movement in the air is gravity---you have to talk about manevering [i[after[/i] devoting most of your energy and design work to staying airborne. Fluid resistance is a secondary factor, and everything else is detail. The barrier to dynamic movement in the ocean is fluid resistance, pressure damage is a secondary problem, and everything else is minor.

The only people with any success in dealing with fluid resistance at sea are the Russians. They have been working on an active bubbling skin for their torpedoes that may allow them to move an order of magnitude faster than any other human object. Essentially, they can create a frictionless skin for their weapons that allows them to move missile-like speeds instead of torpedo speeds.

Be a serious uproar at the Pentagon if they get it working right.

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The only people with any success in dealing with fluid resistance at sea are the Russians. They have been working on an active bubbling skin for their torpedoes that may allow them to move an order of magnitude faster than any other human object. Essentially, they can create a frictionless skin for their weapons that allows them to move missile-like speeds instead of torpedo speeds.

Be a serious uproar at the Pentagon if they get it working right.


The Japanese are working on it to for ship hulls Article here


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Hmmm ... What's your definition of human flight? In 1979, a fellow named Matthew Webb flew across the English Channel in a vehicle (the Gossamer Albatross) powered entirely by his own muscles. He was in the air for three hours.


Powered in part. Thing was also solar, I think.

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Let the other countries be nice and develop all these goodies for us. Once they have them perfected, we will be sure to steal them for our own use. The only real enemies we have right now are third-world shitholes which won't be able to obtain, manufacture, or afford any of this new tech so secrets are somthing of a moot point.

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Hmmm ... What's your definition of human flight? In 1979, a fellow named Matthew Webb flew across the English Channel in a vehicle (the Gossamer Albatross) powered entirely by his own muscles. He was in the air for three hours.


Powered in part. Thing was also solar, I think.

the Gossamer Penguin was part solar powered but was built fromt he design of the Gossamer Albatross which was completely human powered.


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Let the other countries be nice and develop all these goodies for us. Once they have them perfected, we will be sure to steal them for our own use. The only real enemies we have right now are third-world shitholes which won't be able to obtain, manufacture, or afford any of this new tech so secrets are somthing of a moot point.

Oh, yer a Canadian?


(Irony, people, just irony.)

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Hmmm ... What's your definition of human flight? In 1979, a fellow named Matthew Webb flew across the English Channel in a vehicle (the Gossamer Albatross) powered entirely by his own muscles. He was in the air for three hours.


Powered in part. Thing was also solar, I think.

the Gossamer Penguin was part solar powered but was built from the design of the Gossamer Albatross which was completely human powered.


So it was.

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