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As yet another anime sidetrack, is Black Lagoon or whatever it's called worth watching? I hear there are lolis with BAR light machine guns. I don't know what that's all about, but it got me off just thinking about it.

Yes... You should watch it for the loli twins with machine gun and... I think it was a machete. I can't remember any more. Also, ex-soviet paramilitary mafia.

You'll certainly enjoy the loli twins.


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and black lagoon is pretty cool. wish Rock had more gar moments though


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As yet another anime sidetrack, is Black Lagoon or whatever it's called worth watching? I hear there are lolis with BAR light machine guns. I don't know what that's all about, but it got me off just thinking about it.

Yes... You should watch it for the loli twins with machine gun and... I think it was a machete. I can't remember any more. Also, ex-soviet paramilitary mafia.

You'll certainly enjoy the loli twins.


What episodes are they in? I want to skip straight to the good stuff, and if I like what I see, I'll come back for the rest.

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Yes, yes, you hate Eva with a fiery passion.

Incorrect.


Ezelek to me on Wed Mar 08, 2006 wrote:
This is because all things Eva are bad.
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So far, besides the horrible fact that you WATCHED Eva, you're like a younger anime-elitist me.


Archivep0wned.


Unless of course you've softened your position in your old age, which came about in the last year. (<3 @ Ezzems. Your should know your crankypants-ness is no match for my obsessive pedantry, good sir.)


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I hate people who construe that Eva was anymore than what it was, a show about a boy dealing with the rejection of his father and the issues it brought up in his life, with some filler that was big robots and religious dogma. Y'know, like Anno said it was.

That may have been Anno's primary focus, but that doesn't mean it was literally the only thing on the show (there are other characters besides Shinji and his father, each with their own problems, for instance). Even if that was actually his only intent (it wasn't, as he's stated flat-out that it was also meant as something of a slap in the face to anime fans, among other things), Anno was hardly the only writer on the TV series. Evangelion very consciously takes place within the construct of the giant-mecha vs. kaiju genre, and questions many of the basic assumptions of said shows and escapist entertainment in general. It's that aspect I was comparing to Bokurano. The other reason I'd compare them is the emphasis on the psychological state of the pilots.

And yes, I'm aware the Christian iconography in Eva was largely window dressing to add to the general apocalyptic air, but I never even brought that up.


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and black lagoon is pretty cool. wish Rock had more gar moments though

[spoiler]Honestly, I surprised he survived the one he had with Revy. She must have liked him a great deal more than she let on at that point.

And yes, Black Lagoon is shallow, but fun. I think I like it better when the show just makes with the killer twincest crossdressing goth-lolis*, guerilla maids, and 20-assassins-at-once rather than taking itself too seriously.


* Totally not making this up. Bonus points for the show making them actual tragic characters in the end.[/spoiler]


EDIT: (to I_M) According to wikipedia that arc starts at episode 13, aka episode 1 of "The Second Barrage" (season). I'd recommend at least watching the first episode so you know who the characters are, though.

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Umm... Episodes 13, 14 and 15. Tho some characters may not make sense as a result.


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Edit-Jinx?

Also: For Ez.

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Edit-Jinx?

Also: For Ez.

Black Lagoon spoilers in your previous post, dude. Don't want to ruin the creepy surprise.


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obsessive pedantry

oh WI, could you please use said pedantry to define how "this is bad" = "i hate this". :( I thought so much more of you, so. much. more.

Anyway, I'm not saying "hey the mechs in it were not important do not pay attention to the mechs they are not there for any reason. What I sam saying is

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It's basically a deconstruction* of the whole mecha genre, probably the best since Evangelion.

is not true on any level known to mankind. Unless evangelion is the only anime you have ever seen with mechs in it ever.

also you know I love you, you silly old codger. in a totally non-gay way of course.

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Why that dirty little bastard...

[spoiler]Heh. Dung Beetle or Kaku? If the latter actually tries to rape Chizu in the next episode, I'll be hoping for his quick death... luckily the show has a quick way to deal with unlikable characters :) It's kind of like Titanic in that sense, where you know your wish will likely come true (I hated both the lead characters in that, as any sane person should)[/spoiler]

Beetle. Although he was right about that one guy, it's pretty stupid to attack something you know absolutely nothing about.


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I downloaded an episode from Veoh after registering, but a minute into the video the audio and video are unsynced by almost fifteen seconds. :bang: And Veoh won't let download it a second time to correct it.

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Beetle. Although he was right about that one guy, it's pretty stupid to attack something you know absolutely nothing about.

Plus, the results were hilarious. And for all we know, he might be physically vulnerable to bullets, in which case you couldn’t even blame him.


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I downloaded an episode from Veoh after registering, but a minute into the video the audio and video are unsynced by almost fifteen seconds. :bang: And Veoh won't let download it a second time to correct it.

That’s… odd. I’ve downloaded all the episodes from Veoh so far without any problem. When I get home I’ll check to make sure they were from the same set I linked.

Also, you can just remove the video from the Veoh library without actually deleting the file and it’ll let you download it again (or just delete it outright as it’s not working). Sounds like it could be a software issue, though- did you try it in a different video player? (The Veoh player is decent, but I prefer WMP in general)

EDIT: Yep, I redownloaded the first one and had no sound issues. If it does the same thing in more than one video player on your PC, you'd appear to have a codec problem. It's using Xvid, so you may just need the latest version of that installed.

I just watched the first episode again. It's nice that they took the time to ground the characters in reality, but it really is pretty slow. It's an intriguing show, but I should reiterate that it plays its true nature fairly close to the chest for the first few episodes.


And Ez, you’ll get yours later. Oh yes.

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I'd be careful messing with Ez. He threatened me with super germs and goddamnit, I got sick.

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 Post subject: They always forget the *second* part of the custom title...
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obsessive pedantry

oh WI, could you please use said pedantry to define how "this is bad" = "i hate this". :(


Why, certainly.

Now then, after correcting your egregious lack of capitalization on the 'I', we get:

"this is bad" = "I hate this"

Utilizing the standard ASCII character set, 'this is bad' becomes the binary string:
Code:
0111010001101000011010010111001100100000011010010111001100100000011000100110000101100100


Whereas 'I hate this' is of course:
Code:
0100100100100000011010000110000101110100011001010010000001110100011010000110100101110011


Note the identical 88-bit string length.

This will be important later.

"Aha!" you then shout, "But adding up all the 1's in the first binary string gives us 36, while the second gives only 35!" Did I *say* I was done? Give me more credit, poopyhead.

Now then, 36 is the atomic number of the element Krypton, whereas 35 is the highest number one can count to on one's finger using base-6 notation (go ahead, try it). Try to keep up on this next part. The last two digits in each of the aforementioned binary strings are opposites. The opposite of "last" is "first", so flipping the first two digits of the second string to their opposites gives us 10, which when multiplied by the 6 above makes "base-6" into "base-60". And of course the ancient Babylonian number system was base-60, but you already knew that.

Getting back to the first string, Krypton is the traditional birthplace of Superman, also known as Kal-El, the first part of which, "Kal" forms the exact middle of the name of the ancient Sumerian underworld, Irkalla. In Sumerian mythology, that underworld was overtaken by the deity Nergal, whose name you'll notice is only one 'M' away from that of Nermal, the annoying kitten character in the comic strip Garfield. It's a well-know fact that Jim Davis, its creator, sacrifices 33 kittens daily to the ancient Sumerian god Marduk* in order to keep his strip a success, despite the fact that it has sucked for roughly the last decade.

* Whose name incidentally starts with an 'M'. Very funny, Mr. Davis.

The number 33 is not important in this proof.

Jim Davis was a member of the Theta Xi fraternity in college, whose "patron saint" is Benjamin Franklin, who as you will recall from history class made frequent diplomatic trips to France.

Remember I said that the 88-bit length would be important? Well, get out your pocketbook, because the piper is now demanding monetary remuneration. Combining the substituted 'M' from before with 88 gives M88, the name of a spiral galaxy discovered by Charles Messier in 1781. And Charles Messier? Was French.

Marduk was later incorporated into Babylonian mythology. The very same Babylonians who had the base-60 number system. I think you can see where I'm going with this. The rest should be so obvious I hardly need to spell it out, but I'll do so anyway for the sake of completeness.

Quickly then, we derived base-60 from base 6 originally, and 6 minus 1 ('1' being the last digit in the second binary string) equals 5. The beginning of the 5th octet in the first string is 001, which reversed is 110 (just to support the connection, Bistro 110 is the name of a popular French restaurant in Chicago). "But the beginning of the 5th octet in the second string is 011, which reversed is 100, not 110, thereby proving the utter fallacy of your claim!", you are no doubt squealing so hard the spittle flies from your lips. Give me a moment, will you? Because by the Law of Fives, 100 is related to 110 since 110=5*22 and 100=5*20. Multiplying 5 by the first digit in the last number of that equation for 100 gives 5*2, or 10, which added to 100 gives us 110. Now do you comprehend the depths of your folly?

Since 110=110, therefore

Code:
0111010001101000011010010111001100100000011010010111001100100000011000100110000101100100


is clearly equivalent to
Code:
0100100100100000011010000110000101110100011001010010000001110100011010000110100101110011


Thus proving that "this is bad" is indeed equal to "I hate this"!

Q.E.D. :eng101:


Or, I could just do it the boring way:
Roget's website wrote:
Main Entry: hate·ful (hāt'fəl)
Part of Speech: adjective
........1. Eliciting or deserving hatred.
Synonyms: [...]bad[...]

But where would be the fun in that? :)



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[Bokurano] is basically a deconstruction* of the whole mecha genre, probably the best since Evangelion.

is not true on any level known to mankind. Unless evangelion is the only anime you have ever seen with mechs in it ever.

Given that I clarified I was talking specifically about the show that best takes the piss out of the "super-robot fights succession of giant enemies" genre, I fail to see the problem. But given that my knowledge of anime is hardly encyclopedic, if you have an answer for this question:

Wandering Idiot earlier wrote:
Is there a better recent example I missed of a show that takes a critical look at the genre conventions without being an outright parody?

Then by all means... (I'm not being facetious, I'm honestly curious)


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and a great mecha show right now is Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann.

I just watched the first two episodes. Wow, that was pretty random. It's practically the opposite of Bokurano in some ways. I keep getting Dead Leaves vibes from it, and not just because of the whole phallic-drill fixation. Some of the facial expressions, the commercial title cards, and the whole "I'm surprised it's comprehensible at all"-style of action scenes seem similar. I'm guessing they must share some staff who came over from Production I.G.

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yeah pretty much the same staff. possibly also the same staff that did flcl too

i really should change my avatar too. and episode 13 is stated to be directed by Anno. its gonna be EPIC FAIL or EPIC WIN


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I have episodes 1-4 now.
Will watch tomorrow.

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now that you guys have watched the anime go play the video game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3uKU5piUpQ


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New Bokurano eps (6&7) up in the usual places. (Veoh seems to have removed the older episodes, which is odd as I've never seen them care about copyright before. Youtube usually acts as an effective lightning rod for legal pressure)

Seems like it could have been a two-parter instead of three, and odd animation on the second one, but it's nice that despite focusing on the kids, the adults on the show aren't acting like idiots. And kudos for making me actually feel sorry for an attempted rapist.

[spoiler]Since it was less premeditated than I thought, and more "Oh shit, the enemy's just appeared, must do something, can't die like this... Oh, hey girl I like who's also slated to die! :glomp:

On a side note, I found this constantly-updated picture amusing (spoilers, for reals). I may be a bad person.[/spoiler]

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i havent watched it myself as i have been informed that the anime heavily edited a number of themes like rape and murder etc

so i guess i'll just stick with the manga

Although the manga was clearly able to be more graphic with things, given the
[spoiler]attempted rape, consummated statutory rape, and involuntary manslaughter just in the last two episodes, I'm not sure how much difference there is thematically.

The do seem to be holding back a lot visually, though. I don't think there's been any actual blood on-screen, which is odd for anime. Must be on in an early timeslot despite not really being what I'd call a show for young kids (unless you don't like your kids).

EDIT: Actually, I peeked at a summary of the manga and you're right. The death of the last character was a lot more brutal and probably more fitting. Hmm, now I'm torn between my interest in the original story and laziness/dislike of reading manga on a computer screen. Guess I'll let laziness win out for now.[/spoiler]

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now that you guys have watched the anime go play the video game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3uKU5piUpQ

Heh. Is that an actual hacked ROM, or just a video done in the style? (I can't read the demon-squiggles known as Japanese yet)

EDIT2: Fixed image link.

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[spoiler]Figure some of them might die without piloting the robot first?[/spoiler]

Well, that was predictable. :-P

[spoiler]At the start it sounded as though there might be one survivor, kind of like a reverse russian roulette. I dunno, mebbe I counted wrong?

In any case, that's out of the picture now.[/spoiler]</td></tr></table>


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Heh. Is that an actual hacked ROM, or just a video done in the style? (I can't read the demon-squiggles known as Japanese yet)[/quote]

just a fan tribuite thats done in that style


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