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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:40 pm 
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070715/ap_on_re_us/marines_iraq_shooting

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Marine: Beating of Iraqis became routine

Sun Jul 15, 7:58 AM ET

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - A Marine corporal testifying in a court-martial said Marines in his unit began routinely beating Iraqis after officers ordered them to "crank up the violence level."

Cpl. Saul H. Lopezromo testified Saturday at the murder trial of Cpl. Trent D. Thomas.

"We were told to crank up the violence level," said Lopezromo, testifying for the defense.

When a juror asked for further explanation, Lopezromo said: "We beat people, sir."

Within weeks of allegedly being scolded, seven Marines and a Navy corpsman went out late one night to find and kill a suspected insurgent in the village of Hamandiya near the Abu Ghraib prison. The Marines and corpsman were from 2nd Platoon, Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 5th Regiment.

Lopezromo said the suspected insurgent was known to his neighbors as the "prince of jihad," and had been arrested several times and later released by the Iraqi legal system.

Unable to find him, the Marines and corpsman dragged another man from his house, fatally shot him, and then planted an AK-47 assault rifle near the body to make it appear he had been killed in a shootout, according to court testimony.

Four Marines and the corpsman, initially charged with murder in the April 2006 killing, have pleaded guilty to reduced charges and been given jail sentences ranging from 10 months to eight years. Thomas, 25, from St. Louis, pleaded guilty but withdrew his plea and is the first defendant to go to court-martial.

Lopezromo, who was not part of the squad on its late-night mission, said he saw nothing wrong with what Thomas did.

"I don't see it as an execution, sir," he told the judge. "I see it as killing the enemy."

He said Marines consider all Iraqi men part of the insurgency.

Lopezromo and two other Marines were charged in August with assaulting an Iraqi two weeks before the killing that led to charges against Thomas and the others. Charges against all three were later dropped.

Thomas' attorneys have said he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury from his combat duty in Fallouja in 2004. They have argued that Thomas believed he was following a lawful order to get tougher with suspected insurgents.

Prosecution witnesses testified that Thomas shot the 52-year-old man at point-blank range after he had already been shot by other Marines and was lying on the ground.

Lopezromo said a procedure called "dead-checking" was routine. If Marines entered a house where a man was wounded, instead of checking to see whether he needed medical aid, they shot him to make sure he was dead, he testified.

"If somebody is worth shooting once, they're worth shooting twice," he said.

The jury is composed of three officers and six enlisted personnel, all of whom have served in Iraq. The trial was set to resume Monday.

Ah yes, the age old tradition of pretending that everyone's an acceptable target. That's always a good one.


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Ah, the age old tradition of the media making shit up so people get into a frenzy and buy more newspapers.

Remember, it was media bullshit that started the Spanish-American War, media bullshit that helped the US get involved with WWI on the British side instead of the German side, and media bullshit that constantly ran propoganda in Vietnam and throughout this entire war. When you get your news from an obviously biased source with an agenda, you gotta take it with a grain of salt.

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Actually, it was an encoded message the British intercepted called the "Zimmerman Telegram" that got the U.S. involved in WWWI.

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Insane_Megalomaniac wrote:
When you get your news from an obviously biased source with an agenda, you gotta take it with a grain of salt.

I notice that whenever someone uses this sort of line they never offer what they consider to be good, unbiased alternatives.


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Kest wrote:
Insane_Megalomaniac wrote:
When you get your news from an obviously biased source with an agenda, you gotta take it with a grain of salt.

I notice that whenever someone uses this sort of line they never offer what they consider to be good, unbiased alternatives.


Because there isn't any; the Liberal media controls all the sources.

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Skjie wrote:
Kest wrote:
Insane_Megalomaniac wrote:
When you get your news from an obviously biased source with an agenda, you gotta take it with a grain of salt.

I notice that whenever someone uses this sort of line they never offer what they consider to be good, unbiased alternatives.


Because there isn't any; the Liberal media controls all the sources.


You mean Murdoch is liberal? Who knew!

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Skjie wrote:
Kest wrote:
Insane_Megalomaniac wrote:
When you get your news from an obviously biased source with an agenda, you gotta take it with a grain of salt.

I notice that whenever someone uses this sort of line they never offer what they consider to be good, unbiased alternatives.


Because there isn't any; the Liberal media controls all the sources.


And the jooooooooooos.

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Sair wrote:
Skjie wrote:
Kest wrote:
Insane_Megalomaniac wrote:
When you get your news from an obviously biased source with an agenda, you gotta take it with a grain of salt.

I notice that whenever someone uses this sort of line they never offer what they consider to be good, unbiased alternatives.


Because there isn't any; the Liberal media controls all the sources.


And the jooooooooooos.


Also the Republicans and the New World Order.

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Actually, it was an encoded message the British intercepted called the "Zimmerman Telegram" that got the U.S. involved in WWWI.


That was the icing on the cake. The British were spying on us and giving us propoganda the whole time to get us on their side. The news media kept printing stories about German atrocities when there was ONE atrocity, it was much less severe than the media said it was, and those responsible were punished. The British also owed us more money for food, fuel, ammunition, and weapons than the Germans did, so we had to bail them out to get our cash back. All together, it made us side with the British over the Germans.

When the war first started, we actually had parades cheering on the Germans. Look up the submarine Deutschland and its reception in the US.

Besides, Mexico never would have taken the bait and helped Germany out by attacking us to keep us out of the war. Pancho Villa had pissed us off enough as it was. :-P

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Yeah! Those fucking British are always forcing us right thinking Americans into their wars on their side! Just look at all the conflicts we've been involved in because of them... The War of Independence (the fuckers just told us to do what they said and threatened us with a giant stick, but we fucking showed them. Ha!), even the Civil War (They said, 'yeah, we're thinking of supporting the rebels,' we replied 'fuck youse!'), WWI as has been explained, WWII (hell we didn't even care what those faggy Europeans were doing to eachother until the Brits came begging for some more food cos 'the continued existence of free democracy was at stake), then with Korea it was more of the same (the Brits came begging via that UN wankfest to help some yellow slants who were getting cut by some commies), Vietnam was another British ploy ('hay buddy america, we needz sum help with more slanties in asia,' 'sure thing old pal britain, you're a great guy and won't leave us high and dry.' 'oh wait. nah, sorry america, we don't wanna get involved'), and this latest farce in afghanistan and iraq purely because the brits felt we should do something about them terrorists and getting back at saddam.

Well you know what, I think it's high time we stuck one to the Brits and go invade them. See how they like getting all shot up. Fuckers.


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