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Also TMT, that well supported, well reasoned, calm refutation makes me want to submit myself as your babyfactory for all time.


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And the more babies you have the greater chance of the myth of Evolution happening.

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Only if you're all related by blood!

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Only if you're all related by blood!


What.

Are you even talking about?

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He said having babies is the way to evolution, I figured evolution = mutation, so...being blood relatives will definitely force mutations when making babies.

Well, that, or they'll get all the best genes and be super babies.

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I could explain evolution in terms of spontaneous mutation in answer to changes in the surrounding environment in order to better adapt and survive.

I could point out that evolution generally tends to be BENEFICIAL mutation. Not like the mutation you get from brothers and sister marrying which often result in things like no fingers, brain damage, insanity, heamopehllia and/or any bad characteristic carried on a recessive gene like OMG NO EYES.

But in actual fact I'm just going to do this:

:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

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I could point out that evolution generally tends to be BENEFICIAL mutation. Not like the mutation you get from brothers and sister marrying which often result in things like no fingers, brain damage, insanity, heamopehllia and/or any bad characteristic carried on a recessive gene like OMG NO EYES.


Evolution is survival of the fittest and what is beneficial or not depends on the circumstances. Even not so beneficial mutations can carry on if the carriers keep surviving, even for non-related reasons (read pure luck).

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So right you are! Evolution plays the lottery with us sometimes until it finds the right fit, but essentially, everyone spreading evolutionary trait is a mutation.

I know that close-relative pairings tend to go horribly awry, but there is scientific proof that sometimes, inbred babies receive the best genes only. Not that I'm suggesting anyone go mate with their brother, but it's not always a horribly disfigured mutant child -- that's all I was saying there.

Evolution is a series of "random" mutations that worked out well and stuck around.

I re-iterate, why can't people marry the two ideas together? I mean, something is rolling the dice for what new mutation is necessary, why not call it God?

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I could point out that evolution generally tends to be BENEFICIAL mutation. Not like the mutation you get from brothers and sister marrying which often result in things like no fingers, brain damage, insanity, heamopehllia and/or any bad characteristic carried on a recessive gene like OMG NO EYES.


Evolution is survival of the fittest and what is beneficial or not depends on the circumstances. Even not so beneficial mutations can carry on if the carriers keep surviving, even for non-related reasons (read pure luck).


Non.

Evolution is change. The cause of that change is Natural Selection, sometimes called "Survival of the fittest". And a lot of the 'mutations' people bandy about are actually inherent in the DNA code, and are only activated by chance, or by environmental factors. The DNA strand is actually getting less complex as it evolves, leading to less variation, and fewer new species.


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I had sex with a mountain lion to make a super-lion baby.
But only poop came out nine months later.

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I could point out that evolution generally tends to be BENEFICIAL mutation. Not like the mutation you get from brothers and sister marrying which often result in things like no fingers, brain damage, insanity, heamopehllia and/or any bad characteristic carried on a recessive gene like OMG NO EYES.


Evolution is survival of the fittest and what is beneficial or not depends on the circumstances. Even not so beneficial mutations can carry on if the carriers keep surviving, even for non-related reasons (read pure luck).


Non.

Evolution is change. The cause of that change is Natural Selection, sometimes called "Survival of the fittest". And a lot of the 'mutations' people bandy about are actually inherent in the DNA code, and are only activated by chance, or by environmental factors. The DNA strand is actually getting less complex as it evolves, leading to less variation, and fewer new species.


This could be because in evolutionary terms the most simple, less specialised organism is often the most succesful at adapting to change.

Hence HUMANITY.

Also belleofthedamned please google or wiki inbreeding before saying anything else aboyt brother/sister love as beneficial to evolution.

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I could point out that evolution generally tends to be BENEFICIAL mutation. Not like the mutation you get from brothers and sister marrying which often result in things like no fingers, brain damage, insanity, heamopehllia and/or any bad characteristic carried on a recessive gene like OMG NO EYES.


Evolution is survival of the fittest and what is beneficial or not depends on the circumstances. Even not so beneficial mutations can carry on if the carriers keep surviving, even for non-related reasons (read pure luck).


Non.

Evolution is change. The cause of that change is Natural Selection, sometimes called "Survival of the fittest". And a lot of the 'mutations' people bandy about are actually inherent in the DNA code, and are only activated by chance, or by environmental factors. The DNA strand is actually getting less complex as it evolves, leading to less variation, and fewer new species.


This could be because in evolutionary terms the most simple, less specialised organism is often the most succesful at adapting to change.

Hence HUMANITY.

Also belleofthedamned please google or wiki inbreeding before saying anything else aboyt brother/sister love as beneficial to evolution.


And remember, just cause it's sexy, doesn't make it beneficial.


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The term 'Survival of the fittest' got murdered by 'Love'. Fact.


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The term 'Survival of the fittest' got murdered by 'Love'. Fact.


Unless love is an emtionally conditioned evolutionary response...

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onion wrote:
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The term 'Survival of the fittest' got murdered by 'Love'. Fact.


Unless love is an emtionally conditioned evolutionary response...


I think you got something there Onion, for all we know 'love' is just the glue that keeps groups of humans (like families) together, helping each other to survive, since the combined might of the group far outweighs abilities of a single individual, and it helped people who used it the most win the infamous 'Survival of the fittest' TV game-show. (like Survivor only in RL)

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The term 'Survival of the fittest' got murdered by 'Love'. Fact.


Unless love is an emtionally conditioned evolutionary response...


Don't justify chud babies, burn them and their reasons for living. We're already a burnt out broken down species that faces a possible slow and painful death for the act of procreation (yeah it's called marrige *badum-tish* [...shut up]), and now we have to vailidate that those who would have previously never been given a chance to spawn their own can shoot them out? And get housing benifits for it!?

Remind me why we're evolving again?


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The term 'Survival of the fittest' got murdered by 'Love'. Fact.


Unless love is an emtionally conditioned evolutionary response...


Don't justify chud babies, burn them and their reasons for living. We're already a burnt out broken down species that faces a possible slow and painful death for the act of procreation (yeah it's called marrige *badum-tish* [...shut up]), and now we have to vailidate that those who would have previously never been given a chance to spawn their own can shoot them out? And get housing benifits for it!?

Remind me why we're evolving again?


Uh...what?

What language are you speaking?

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Remind me why we're evolving again?


Who says we are? We don't need to any longer.

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