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Creationism makes a comeback in US
By Washington correspondent Mark Simkin

In the United States the old but bitter debate between evolution and creationism is heating up again.

Three of the Republican presidential candidates do not believe in evolution and a high-tech creation museum recently opened in Kentucky.

Much of the debate has been fuelled by a book claiming the Grand Canyon, one of America's most well-known landmarks, was carved by Noah's flood rather than erosion.

Every national park has at least one gift shop - usually more - selling t-shirts, snow domes, mugs, postcards and books.

At the Grand Canyon you will find books on the canyon's history, the canyon's animals and even the canyon's deaths.

One book, Grand Canyon: A Different View, contains the following excerpt:

"Grand Canyon is not just an icon of beauty. It is a solemn witness to the mighty power of God who is not only the omnipotent creator of all things but also the avenging defender of his own holiness."

It is amazing to think a humble river was able to carve such a mighty canyon. Of course, a geologist will tell you that reflects the power of time rather than the power of the river - the canyon is millions of years old.

But Grand Canyon: A Different View presents a different perspective.

The book is compiled by Tom Vail, who has been guiding rafting trips down the Colorado River for 25 years.

He says for the first 15 years he was an evolutionist.

"In 1994 I became a Christian and started looking at the canyon as my book says, from a different view, and I started exploring the creationist model of the formation of the canyon," he said.

"What I found was all those little questions I had as an evolutionist had answers, and pretty logical answers as I looked at it."

Mr Vail's book is not some cheap pamphlet. It is a full colour coffee-table book, featuring expensive paper, sophisticated layout, spectacular photos, scientific language and lots of quotes from the Old Testament.

Not surprisingly, it is generating debate.

The gulf between creationists and mainstream scientists is as wide as the canyon itself.

The American Geological Institute and other groups demanded the book be removed from the national park.

The debate only fuelled sales of the book and Tom Vail says there is plenty of evidence inside the canyon to back his belief.

"We see some very large folding in the canyon where sedimentary layers, which are laid down horizontally, have been curved or carved in big bends, some of them 300 feet tall, and this is done without cracking the rock. How do you do that with hard rock?" he said.

"I'm definitely going against the tide here, but when you look at the evidence, there are major flaws in the dating methods, for example.

Much to the horror of mainstream scientists, creationism seems to be making a comeback in the United States.

A multi-million dollar creation museum recently opened, at least three of the Republicans running for President do not believe in evolution and Tom Vail's rafting trips are welcoming customers from as far away as Australia.

Opinion polls suggest 43 per cent of Americans believe God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years. Only 14 per cent believe humans evolved without divine involvement.

The US needs to stop being full of fail.


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It's not like Creationists are hurting anyone with their beliefs. I find it kind of weird that some people would like to go after them but want the US government to leave Islamic extremists alone.

Me? Personally I believe in Creation, but I'm open to looking at the dogma differently. It's mentioned in the Bible that "a hundred years is a day to God, and a day a hundred years", so for all we know God might have very well spent millions of years creating Earth. It's not like He was measuring time based on the sun, moon or stars (seeing as how they weren't even in existence until He made them).

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Did any of you hear about that guy who found some actual scientific evidence that supports creationism? It wasn't dramatic, and the guy who found it doesn't really believe in genisis, however, it's refreshing to see. I think it went like this, he found air pockets in deep levels of rock, now the reason that means shit is, well... think of a glass of water. I drop an alkalizes in it and put it in the freezer. Now all of the bubbles will be long gone by the time it frozen. However him finding these air pockets is like pulling out a glass of ice that's still fizzing. The bubbles he found means that the earth must have cooled in under 40 seconds for them to form.

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Did any of you hear about that guy who found some actual scientific evidence that supports creationism? It wasn't dramatic, and the guy who found it doesn't really believe in genisis, however, it's refreshing to see. I think it went like this, he found air pockets in deep levels of rock, now the reason that means shit is, well... think of a glass of water. I drop an alkalizes in it and put it in the freezer. Now all of the bubbles will be long gone by the time it frozen. However him finding these air pockets is like pulling out a glass of ice that's still fizzing. The bubbles he found means that the earth must have cooled in under 40 seconds for them to form.

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Not quite. There are bubbles under the earth, they're well documented. And they rise, just very very slowly. We see them in the geology of Thailand, where they're associated with bringing pockets of salt to the surface with them, which people then refine and sell. You can actually see undulations in the otherwise relatively flat Khorat Plateau where they are almost at the surface, but haven't burst.

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Why the big separation?

Evolution clearly happens, but who's to say it's not a process of God? One thing that really grinds my gears is when people who believe in Creationism seem to think God made the Earth and then he just sort of....stopped doing stuff. If God made the Earth, I'm sure he still watches after it, makes sure it's growing, thriving -- perhaps with some process by which creatures adapt to a dynamic world over time, and just for shit's sake, let's call that process evolution.

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It's not like Creationists are hurting anyone with their beliefs. I find it kind of weird that some people would like to go after them but want the US government to leave Islamic extremists alone.
Obviously we all want to hunt down and kill all those evil creationists just like they were terrorists. THEY AM THREAT TO AMEKRICA.

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The funniest thing is they're right about dinosaurs living with man - we just call them birds nowadays...

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It's not like Creationists are hurting anyone with their beliefs. I find it kind of weird that some people would like to go after them but want the US government to leave Islamic extremists alone.


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hurf durf anybody who thinks that the entire intellectual basis of scientific method and thus advanced technological civilization itself being overturned might be sorta bad wants the terrorists to win

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I wonder if they'll go away if we ignore them?

Sadly, probably not. My little sister is a creationist. This makes me weep.


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Oh boy! Oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy!

I remember when there was a creation/evolution debate one night at my college a few years back, put on by the local campus crusade for Christ. We'll leave it at the creationist side totally failing to offer counter-points to logical, directed statements to their presentation.

As I mentioned before in one of those debate club threads, we've shown evolution to occur- at the very least, at a micro level. Macro is still up in the air, but passes well within the plausible- while people like Dembski would flip out like a ninja about it and argue otherwise, randomness such as that can occur without design.

Meanwhile, I don't think either side has much to go on when it comes to the actual origin of species- it's more speculation than anything, from what I've read.

Unfortunately, we'll get people who blindly cling to either side no matter what.

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Also TMT, that well supported, well reasoned, calm refutation makes me want your babies a little bit

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Also TMT, that well supported, well reasoned, calm refutation makes me want to submit myself as your babyfactory for all time.

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