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On 2002-10-20 21:14, Pyromancer wrote:
Oh, give it up. I don't agree with very many (read: almost any) of G.W. Bush's policies, but the fact is that he was elected according to the law (which was admittedly rather fuzzy in this area). If you don't like him, vote him out of office in 2004 or put a .30-06 soft point through his skull at the next GOP rally, but for Christ's sake (figure of speech) don't whine about stuff that you can't possibly change now.
A much better thing to be pissed off about is that the Supreme Court justices voted along party lines rather than their interpretation of the law. They're supposed to be above that kind of thing.
I am not complaining about Bush being in charge of the country. I was refering to the fact that our country is a democracy in name only, and it is hypocritical to go about proclaiming the superiority of democracy when we don't have one. If it's so great, why aren't <b>we</b> a democracy?
The justices can shove it. It isn't surprising that they voted the way they did. They're only human, and can't be above bias, no matter how much they claim otherwise.
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On 2002-10-20 21:58, Lifyre wrote:
Did you ever think that those people aren't giventhe choice on how to live? I thought not. 90% of the middle east population has absolutely no say in how they live or is given any opportunity to change it.
It did in fact occur to me that they have no choice. Thanks for assuming. I am merely saying that it is not our place to force democracy on them. If they want a democracy, let them create a democracy through whatever means they choose. Other countries (US, France, etc) have been free to decide the fate of their own country. It is arrogant of us to decide what <b>they</b> need.
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As far as a democratic government in OUR country. Get a clue pal. This was NEVER a democracy. It is a republic founded on the principles of creating a ruling elite who answer to the people.
I refer to the US as a democracy because that is how it is popularly known. I understand that this country was a republic at one point in time. However that republic has ceased to exist. We live in an <b>oligarchy</b> now.
According to the Columbia Encyclopedia:
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The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.
oligarchy
(l´gärk) (KEY) [Gr.,=rule by the few], rule by a few members of a community or group. When referring to governments, the classical definition of oligarchy, as given for example by Aristotle, is of government by a few, usually the rich, for their own advantage.
The ruling elite doesn't answer to us. They control the money. They infuence the government. They own the mainstream media. All they require of us is our consent, and that can be manufactured though manipulation of these resources.
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it is one of the most representative governments in existence and the most successful.
Yes, it is one of the most representative. But not of us. Not of me. Not of you. Not of anyone on this board. Not of 99% of the population. It represents money, and those who have it. They are at the top. They control the methods and the means of production. And they will stay there, as long as we continue to support them through our habit of conspicuous consumption.
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Bush WAS elected. No matter how much you or I want to deny it he was. He was elected by a broken system but he was elected all the same.
The system isn't broken. It works perfectly, and it works for those who control it. Shouldn't the fact that he was elected tell you something about the way our country functions?
Dismiss this as "hippie bullshit." Dismiss it as "uninformed conspiracy speculation from some fucking loser who thinks he's living in some orwellian nether realm." Dismiss it. Because that's what you were conditioned to do.
I can't make you believe it. I don't want to make you believe it. It's up to you to decide what you want to believe. But it's all there, you just have to look for it. You have to want the truth, because you're not going to get it on CNN or Fox nightly news. They aren't going to tell you what's <b>really</b> happening. Nobody can spoon-feed you reality. You have to choose to see the truth, and until you do, you are just a puppet.
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