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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:12 pm 
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Well here we go folks...

Nuke the Middle East. Starting with the Isrealis (who have no strategic value to us, but are political ammo and liability) and ending with a 50 MT warhead inserted rectally into Saddam. Getting the Saudis, Palastinians, Syrians, and Jordanians along the way.

Hell yeah lets pave the Middle East in Glass!

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You want a full scale military assualt on the middle east and you say that our only ally there is of no strategic value?

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they did/do cause problems with allied Arab nations, if you're pro US (ish) but anti Israel then you're going ot be a little streached when asked which side to take in a middle east crisis etc

imo, Israel = good

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Who said anything about an assault? We have ICBM's... and could you please explain to me why we aren't allowed to have soldiers in Isreal (except under extreme duress) yet we have several thousand in every other "ally" there. Not to mention the total lack of a need for isreal as any sort of base of operations. Nor do they have any resources to speak of.

If I have any of these facts wrong please correct me. Oh and even if we didn't have ICBM's we have nuclear tipped ship based AND plane based missles and bombs.


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For the record I think Isreal should exist however some of their actions (and the palastinians are worse in some respects) I find very questionable. Particularly since some of their policies seem to be kickbacks to WW2 Germans with the exception of experimentation and blatant wholesale slaughter (usually)

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Can you blame them for taking such harsh measures?First they were slaughtered by the millions then when they were given a small piece of land to call their own,every nation around them declared war on them.I think they are still bitter.


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Yeah I can understand that but turning into a cheap version of the man who killed 6 million of you is not the solution...


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anyweay, the problem is that afte you glass one region/race/political group, what then? the precedent has been set, some other place gets angry, glass them, and so on, cascades untill only one person is left, the winner

like communism

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On 2002-10-20 12:55, ollie wrote:
anyweay, the problem is that afte you glass one region/race/political group, what then? the precedent has been set, some other place gets angry, glass them, and so on, cascades untill only one person is left, the winner

like communism



I bow to you. Ok so we don't glass it over. How about we stop sending all of them money until they cooperate and either find peace or die off. That and invade iraq


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How about will kill all the arab leaders and install democratic governments? The majority of people there, like in most places, are fairly reasonable. Hell, most arabs are like a throwback to 50s-sterotype america. Give you the shirt off their back if they need to.


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Aslong as the first three are:

1)Sharon
2)Arafat
3)Saddam Hussien


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Hmm... doesn't Someone from the forum live in Israel. I'm sure i remember someone metioning it. So if you want to nuke the Israelis you'd better make sure you want all of them to die.


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Edible is in Saudi Arabia...

And we decided not to nuke them... just eliminate all the heads of state and install Democratic governments, not that we'd allow them a choice in rulers or anything but its a good principle.

And if we aren't going to kill Sharon (seeing as he IS democratically elected) we should either bring him, or if he doesn't call the shots militarily (yeah... right...) the person who is, up on human rights violations if not war crimes (although there may be no basis for war crimes, I don't know).


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Nah, don't kill Sharon, just bring him up on war crimes charges and have him spend the rest of his life in a ten-foot cell.

Easy way to get rid of him, and it's fairly likely to succeed; most of the rest of the world is certainly pissed off enough at Israel right now.

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Nuke the Middle East? I sincerely hope that this outrageous proposal was put forth solely for the purpose of debate.
As for installing democratic governments, it isn't our place to tell them how to live. Besides, it would help to first install a democratic government in <b>our</b> country before trying it abroad.


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Oh, give it up. I don't agree with very many (read: almost any) of G.W. Bush's policies, but the fact is that he was elected according to the law (which was admittedly rather fuzzy in this area). If you don't like him, vote him out of office in 2004 or put a .30-06 soft point through his skull at the next GOP rally, but for Christ's sake (figure of speech) don't whine about stuff that you can't possibly change now.

A much better thing to be pissed off about is that the Supreme Court justices voted along party lines rather than their interpretation of the law. They're supposed to be above that kind of thing.

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Nuke the Middle East? I sincerely hope that this outrageous proposal was put forth solely for the purpose of debate.


Asute this one is. Broken soon he will be.

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As for installing democratic governments, it isn't our place to tell them how to live. Besides, it would help to first install a democratic government in <b>our</b> country before trying it abroad.



Did you ever think that those people aren't giventhe choice on how to live? I thought not. 90% of the middle east population has absolutely no say in how they live or is given any opportunity to change it. As far as a democratic government in OUR country. Get a clue pal. This was NEVER a democracy. It is a republic founded on the principles of creating a ruling elite who answer to the people. it is one of the most representative governments in existence and the most successful.

Bush WAS elected. No matter how much you or I want to deny it he was. He was elected by a broken system but he was elected all the same.


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You have florida to thank for putting bush in the white house.I'm glad I'm not a floridan,the whole world must think they are idiotic retards who can't count......
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Oh, give it up. I don't agree with very many (read: almost any) of G.W. Bush's policies, but the fact is that he was elected according to the law (which was admittedly rather fuzzy in this area). If you don't like him, vote him out of office in 2004 or put a .30-06 soft point through his skull at the next GOP rally, but for Christ's sake (figure of speech) don't whine about stuff that you can't possibly change now.

A much better thing to be pissed off about is that the Supreme Court justices voted along party lines rather than their interpretation of the law. They're supposed to be above that kind of thing.



I am not complaining about Bush being in charge of the country. I was refering to the fact that our country is a democracy in name only, and it is hypocritical to go about proclaiming the superiority of democracy when we don't have one. If it's so great, why aren't <b>we</b> a democracy?

The justices can shove it. It isn't surprising that they voted the way they did. They're only human, and can't be above bias, no matter how much they claim otherwise.

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Did you ever think that those people aren't giventhe choice on how to live? I thought not. 90% of the middle east population has absolutely no say in how they live or is given any opportunity to change it.


It did in fact occur to me that they have no choice. Thanks for assuming. I am merely saying that it is not our place to force democracy on them. If they want a democracy, let them create a democracy through whatever means they choose. Other countries (US, France, etc) have been free to decide the fate of their own country. It is arrogant of us to decide what <b>they</b> need.

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As far as a democratic government in OUR country. Get a clue pal. This was NEVER a democracy. It is a republic founded on the principles of creating a ruling elite who answer to the people.


I refer to the US as a democracy because that is how it is popularly known. I understand that this country was a republic at one point in time. However that republic has ceased to exist. We live in an <b>oligarchy</b> now.

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The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.

oligarchy

(l´gärk) (KEY) [Gr.,=rule by the few], rule by a few members of a community or group. When referring to governments, the classical definition of oligarchy, as given for example by Aristotle, is of government by a few, usually the rich, for their own advantage.


The ruling elite doesn't answer to us. They control the money. They infuence the government. They own the mainstream media. All they require of us is our consent, and that can be manufactured though manipulation of these resources.

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it is one of the most representative governments in existence and the most successful.


Yes, it is one of the most representative. But not of us. Not of me. Not of you. Not of anyone on this board. Not of 99% of the population. It represents money, and those who have it. They are at the top. They control the methods and the means of production. And they will stay there, as long as we continue to support them through our habit of conspicuous consumption.

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Bush WAS elected. No matter how much you or I want to deny it he was. He was elected by a broken system but he was elected all the same.


The system isn't broken. It works perfectly, and it works for those who control it. Shouldn't the fact that he was elected tell you something about the way our country functions?

Dismiss this as "hippie bullshit." Dismiss it as "uninformed conspiracy speculation from some fucking loser who thinks he's living in some orwellian nether realm." Dismiss it. Because that's what you were conditioned to do.
I can't make you believe it. I don't want to make you believe it. It's up to you to decide what you want to believe. But it's all there, you just have to look for it. You have to want the truth, because you're not going to get it on CNN or Fox nightly news. They aren't going to tell you what's <b>really</b> happening. Nobody can spoon-feed you reality. You have to choose to see the truth, and until you do, you are just a puppet.

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*clap clap clap*

Well said, Tycho! Glad that someone else on the board knows what the fuck's really happening in this great "democracy" of ours.

Now come, join the cult of Godless Commie Traitors.

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