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Infants are born with a blank slate, and you can't really judge them as good or evil until they get old enough to know the differece. If you were just born, how <i>could</i> you know the difference between good and evil? I don't think that it is possible for people to be born already with a tendancy toward being evil. Becides, if people were inherently evil, why isn't the crime rate higher? You can't really say that parents instill morals in them because nowadays most parents are for the most part incompetant. (IMHO)


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I thought religion concidered the "anti-christ" to be evil incarnate, so that would be from birth...
think about it.

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the 'anti christ' just leads people 'astray' from religion, teaching them that they don't need gods, that mankind can do it on it's own, sort out it's own problems and create a heaven on earth, he/she'll be a great peace bringer and uniter of the world

the only 'bad' thing about him/her is that we have to forsake god(s) in order to redeem humanity, i'm already there, anyone else with me?

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What took you so long Ollie? ^^


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On 2002-10-27 08:48, ollie wrote:
the 'anti christ' just leads people 'astray' from religion, teaching them that they don't need gods, that mankind can do it on it's own, sort out it's own problems and create a heaven on earth, he/she'll be a great peace bringer and uniter of the world

the only 'bad' thing about him/her is that we have to forsake god(s) in order to redeem humanity, i'm already there, anyone else with me?



I'll walk with you shoulder to shoulder on that score.

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Ah, the everburning question on Good n' Evil. Here are my personal thoughts...

I believe that every person has both the capacity for good and evil, that we both have a light and dark side. Humanity as a whole is neither good nor evil (though it tends to be pretty immoral...); to imply such is to imply that society is good or evil, when truthfully, society in general tends to be pretty much neutral. However, a person can be good or evil, depending on the individual. And, as a result, there is both good and evil in this world. The problem is, that these traits are hardly ever in black and white-if humanity is anything, it's ambiguous.

But how does one define good and evil? It's quite hard to articulate how, and it's pretty damn hard to find someone who can. The only thing I can say at the moment without inserting my foot into my mouth is this-good and evil have always been with us, and always shall be with us. It is impossible to get rid of evil as a whole because it's too deeply ingrained with us. However, what we can do is try to deal with it in little ways. Have compassion, show a little human decency, try to improve another person's life while we're at it. Remember, while humanity does have a great capacity for evil, we also have the capacity for doing very good things if we'd only choose to.

Now if only more people would choose to...

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On 2002-10-27 01:05, The Goldstandard wrote:
Infants are born with a blank slate, and you can't really judge them as good or evil until they get old enough to know the differece. If you were just born, how <i>could</i> you know the difference between good and evil? I don't think that it is possible for people to be born already with a tendancy toward being evil. Becides, if people were inherently evil, why isn't the crime rate higher? You can't really say that parents instill morals in them because nowadays most parents are for the most part incompetant. (IMHO)


Personally, I believe that humans are benign, or neutral, when born. It is their parents that influence them, their actions making niches in their minds, and their morals given as to what is right and wrong. What does parental incompetence have to do with this? Nothing! Whatever the parents do in front of their child, even if it is the smallest thing like petting a dog, to swearing at a neighbour, the child records it in it's mind.How this happens, I do not know. But it's usually who the child is exposed to for the most part that determines their morality.

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Good or evil... Well, no-one is born either way, and I don't think anyone ever believes they're evil. (Well, except for Dark Helmet, but he rocks) We all believe we're justified in our actions, no matter how twisted the viewing of said thangs are, and so we believe, that from our own point of view, what we are doing is right, and therefore, we are 'Good'.

Good and Evil are defined through the current perception of society... If a majority of people suddenely changed their views on what is counted as good, and what is counted as evil, then most likely the entire society will shift to adjust to it. Hrm... I guess what I'm trying to say is, there is no 'Good' nor 'Evil' as such... Just perceptions of people's actions using our own morals as a coloured lens to judge them.

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That brings up the topic of typicality; e.g. something is proven by the vast majority agreeing on that 'fact'. Say, for example, that 99% of the US population thinks that White Power rallies are 'evil' (of course, 65% of all statistics are made up on the spot) so to speak. Then naturally, some will go so far as to say that white power is inherently evil. That's the likely cause of the beginning of this topic.

Of course, I'm not arguing or anything, just backing up Ezelek.

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