i know i'm jumping into this whole debate a little late, and it's moved on since this, but i'll start here first.
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On 2002-10-27 14:56, Kitsune1527 wrote:
Do you think a person can justify a killing by the base of their religion,
in a word, no.
one can only justify killing based on one's own moral beliefs, and by that, i mean "i believe the crime the person getting killed did something morally wrong, and severe enough to warrant death to stop them doing it again, (NOT 'God said he was a bad man')
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and thus do you believe religion is root of all evil or root of most,
i believe that all too often, religion is the sole source of people's moral beliefs. instead of them asking the questions of what's right and wrong inany given situation. All to often, like the law, religions are forced to make a standpoint on a certain issue, and right or wrong they then have to stick by that statement, unable to consider any mitigating circumstances.
in my opinion, morality should be left out of religion altogether. why the hell ask an organisation that has to deal in absolute to make the decisions YOU should be making YUORSELF?! it's plain lunacy. (oops, i'm ranting...)
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or do you believe religion has nothing to do with it and it's just caused by serial killers with delusions of granduer looking for an excuse?
continuing from my previous statement, yes. but i'm including holy Wars in that too. fighting a war over God is the stupidest thing Humanity has ever done....and they just won't stop doing it. it's what happens when you assume your religion is morally right.
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I'm not looking for factual basis here, although it would help. Since EC's Saudi, I'd like to hear his opinion on the whole Quran "jihad" thing.
(I think the second opinion is right. Religion itself offers no support for killing.)
i think i pretty much agreed with you on that point...sorta...it all depends on whether you believe your religion's policies come from god, or are political. i CERTAINLY believe that religion and politics should not mix.
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I digress though - many stupid people live for others as opposed to living selfishly solely because of religion, and for that we should be grateful. I find it difficult to justify benevolence to anyone if I assume there is no afterlife - I doubt society would have progressed if we all were godless, selfish bastards.
there would be a lot more stupid people who would be stupid assholse were it no0t for the moral absolutes that religion offers in it's tidy package of 'easy answers'
*md stops a mokent to suck on his chuppa chup*
i'd like to believe most intelligent folks quickly work out that assholes are disliked and get treated like assholes, and we all don't need the spiritual honey/stick combination of heaven/hell to'be good'
shit, a lot of stupid people have committed murder in 'holy wars' because they thought it would keep them out of hell.
*mad stops while his tooth hurts a whole helluva lot...stupid shugary chuppa chup...*
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On 2002-10-28 13:51, Barghest wrote:
Still though it's nice to think that you go somewhere when you die.Oblivion doesn't sound like a nice place to spend eternity.
if you cease to exist, i'm not sure your'e going to notice eternity. like Veritron said, and someone else i think... did you notice the millennia before you existed?
now, the existence and nature of god...this is The Big One...in that it's not.
whether or not god exists is totally irrelevant, as is Heaven and hell. they are nothing more than ideas thought up by fallible humans, so whether a god exists or not, there's no saying any religion has it anywhere near right. that's the thing about religion and spirituality, it's all subjective.
i'll stop now. all these posts by me are merely opinions, and should not be taken as fact, unless the fact is 'this is what mad thinks'
i don't have the answers, but then, who's to say anybody else does. it's the questions that matter.