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On 2002-11-02 17:31, bigmacd24 wrote:
Perhaps I was a little vauge, allow me to reiterate.
I do not support al queda, I simply understand where they are coming from.
Imperialistic and isolationists don't nesecarily have oposite roles,
You do realize you are a fucking moron right? Isolationism is not doing ANYTHING outside your own country. Imperialism is taking over other countries OUTSIDE your won. Get a clue and a dictionary jackass.
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take what america does in Saudi Arabia, or in the middle east in general. They knock over any government they do not like, and keep on doing it until there is a government that kow-tows to them.
Any chance you could give an example? Say something more recent that the 70's? Last I checked Iran, Syria, and many other countries over there are none to friendly... Oh wait you were too stupid to get your facts straight.
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In this way, they controll the middle east (imperialism) while being able to refuse the citizens of those countries rights ascotiated with american citizens (isolationist). America is pretty sneaky, but also really cool for being able to pull shit off like that.
You do realize that is in NO WAY isolationist? That is standard Imperial policy. Again a dictionary, two brain cells to rub together, and a clue about politics and istory would help.
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When I said root of the problem, I ment america in general. Attacking innocent people is not the answer, but it was used as a last resort by a despirate people to get their vioces heard.
Desparate people you say? Get teir voices heard you say? Their situation WAS OF THEIR OWN MAKING! We helped them and when they had won we left. How is America te problem? You do realize that Europe meddles as much or more than the US and often to much more destructive side-effects. Tis is a case of scapegoating. And idiots like yourself are too ignorant to understand that.
And they WERE getting their voices heard Jack-Ass. The United States had little or nothing to do with them. They had many governments ears and even a TV station that plays their propaganda. If you think their brand of ignorant radical religious zealotry is what this world needs to fix SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BROKEN then you need to leave the western world before i kick your ass out of it. Their biggest bitch turns out to be we aren't giving them enough support because they are too stupid to live in the modern world.
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I dislike the term 'evil' being used, it was never my intention to say that I supported al-queda, but simply that I didn't think their goals were bad, and while I don't support their means, I don't think that they had much of a choice in the matter.
You, sir, are fucking clueless. Your statement declares your support for them. Try reading it from a rational persons perspective (oh wait that takes intelligence) And no choice in the matter? There are MANY organization set up to provide people like these voices in the world. They never once used them. They attacked us out of jealousy because their way of life FAILED and ours is a HUGE SUCCESS!
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As far as i've read, al-queda dislikes American involvement in the middle east. The 'crush the infidels' shtick is part of that I suppose, and is a nice sound clip for both the eight oclock news in the western world, and the recruitment videos for their own side.
How about this. You read Al-queda literature and tell me that. They want to subjugate EVERYONE to their way of living and believing. Tey want to recreate the Muslim empire that was CRUSHED 400 years ago. If it wasn't involvement in the middle east (which we were asked to do btw) it would be something else.
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When I say natural resources, I speak of Oil, the substance which fuels the american economy, and the middle east is a major producer of it. The reasons the States are so imperialistic in the middle east, is to maintain their oil concerns, and if they did not controll the governments of OPEC, they would not be in controll of their own economy.
hmmm thats why we allow the Saudi's to exist. Oh and we were talking Afgani resources fucker. Not the middle east where the resources will be obsolete in 20 years. At which point water will fuel the american economy...
Oh and just to point out we DON'T control the OPEC countries. A little forgien knowledge would help here you ignorant bafoon, pull your head out of your ass and look upon te world that is revealed.
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I do not know if there is any oil in afganistan or not, and I did not mean to infer that the states and ussr did this only to Afganistan, but to the middle east in general.
Hmmm, this is atracting more flames then I wanted, I realize its a touchy subject, with every american (and probably many other western nations) being bombarded by propeganda that al queda is evil, any one who says else wise is evil, but put that aside for a minuite, and tell me what someone living in the middle east should do when:
They, and there fellow countrymen are in desolate poverty, and there government is controled by a foreign land who is intrested in maintaining the status quo.
You obviously know nothing about any government in the middle east. There are at most 2 that we ave any major influential control over. They are also the SAME GOVERNMENTS TEY HAD 400 YEARS AGO! It is the governments they maintain that keep the people in poverty you moron. Get a fucking clue and come back later.
-Lifyre
Stupidity should be painful... wait tat gives me an idea...