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A friend of mine recently brought up a very good point, at a very inopertune time. He said he supported the ends of al-queda, but not the means. I told him if he said that any louder, that he would get kicked out of school and possibly arrested. But you know what? I don't like american foreign polocie either! I am afraid of imperialistic, self ritghious, isolationist rednecks! Does this mean that I would go out and kill americans? No. Does this mean I wouldn't want to do bussiness with them, or even live in their country? No. What I mean to say is that I wish to change their political structure. Now for me, the impending threat is not huge, I have a comfortable life, and short of a few protests, or friendly debates, I am not going to do much about it, it really doesn't affect me. But what about someone in a devoloping country, that is getting plundered for its natural resources. The USSR and the USA both walked back and forth across Afganistan, taking what they needed, and after the cold war, the states left the country in shambles, with a military dictatorship running off of their own weapons. The northern aliance is glorified as heros, but al-queda, who seeks to solve the problem at its root is deamonized. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I would never preform any action so drastic, but I can understand the reasoning behind the actions of terrorists, and they arn't that crazy.


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Arn't the aims of Al-queda to kick america out of Saudi arabia?Don't they hate the idea of infidels on islam holy land?

EDIT:And another thing,just what natural resources in afghanstan are we talking about?
The USSR just didn't like the idea of a nation leaving them.The USA helped the Afghans because they wanted to pay the soviets back for vietnam.Thats all,we never made any deals about staying around and helping them rebuild.


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I don't like american foreign polocie either! I am afraid of imperialistic, self ritghious, isolationist rednecks!


'isolationist' and 'imperialistic' are contradictory in their goals, dumbfuck. Besides that, the only ground we're taking and keeping as our own in the middle east is the ground our dead will be buried in.

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No. What I mean to say is that I wish to change their political structure.


What the fuck does a foreign policy have to do with a political structure? Despots can be just as imperialistic as a pure democracy.

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Now for me, the impending threat is not huge, I have a comfortable life, and short of a few protests, or friendly debates, I am not going to do much about it, it really doesn't affect me.


Ahh, but you see, my friend, it sure as hell affected me. Perhaps you remember...2,800 or so of my countrymen died in a single attack. I am directly put at risk by these people who wish to 'change our way of thinking' as you so illegitimately put it.

I believe their goal was quite clearly stated by the attacks on september 11th. They want us dead. I know you don't give a crap about anyone but you, in your nice little armchair, but I happen to care about the people who died. Yes, I include the innocents killed on accident in Afghanistan in this statement.

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But what about someone in a devoloping country, that is getting plundered for its natural resources. The USSR and the USA both walked back and forth across Afganistan, taking what they needed, and after the cold war, the states left the country in shambles, with a military dictatorship running off of their own weapons.


A) Which country is getting plundered for its resources again?
B) The USA supported the native rebels WHO WERE FIGHTING AGAINST SOVIET OCCUPATION OF THEIR NATION. Not 'took what we wanted,' neither side did this. We supported the people who were fighting our enemies- once out enemies (the soviets) left, we too left! Is this so hard to comprehend? Bad policy move, maybe, but no, Afghanistan isn't some poor example of a country that we raped.

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The northern aliance is glorified as heros, but al-queda, who seeks to solve the problem at its root is deamonized.


Of course, the ROOT of american foreign policy problems is A BUNCH OF INNOCENT MEN AND WOMEN WORKING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. How is this not apparent for all to see? Al Quida's mission to 'kill the infidel swine who dared support the evil jews and trample on holy land' IS SO FUCKING GOOD AND RIGHTEOUS, RIGHT?

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I guess what I'm trying to say is, I would never preform any action so drastic, but I can understand the reasoning behind the actions of terrorists, and they arn't that crazy


And here, my friends, is the epitomy of what I fight. Ignorance. Stupidity. Supporting frank evil because they don't know any better. THIS is what is produced by ignorance- a boy who supports a network of people who want nothing less than the destruction of our civilization.

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I don't like some of American foreign policy either, but this is insane.


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There's a difference between demanding reform in american foriegn policy and killing innocent people. Sure, I agree that we're a bunch of eliteist bastards (and that it needs to be changed), but I don't agree that it's okay to murder people to accomplish this.

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Perhaps I was a little vauge, allow me to reiterate.

I do not support al queda, I simply understand where they are coming from.

Imperialistic and isolationists don't nesecarily have oposite roles, take what america does in Saudi Arabia, or in the middle east in general. They knock over any government they do not like, and keep on doing it until there is a government that kow-tows to them. In this way, they controll the middle east (imperialism) while being able to refuse the citizens of those countries rights ascotiated with american citizens (isolationist). America is pretty sneaky, but also really cool for being able to pull shit off like that.

When I said root of the problem, I ment america in general. Attacking innocent people is not the answer, but it was used as a last resort by a despirate people to get their vioces heard.

I dislike the term 'evil' being used, it was never my intention to say that I supported al-queda, but simply that I didn't think their goals were bad, and while I don't support their means, I don't think that they had much of a choice in the matter.

As far as i've read, al-queda dislikes American involvement in the middle east. The 'crush the infidels' shtick is part of that I suppose, and is a nice sound clip for both the eight oclock news in the western world, and the recruitment videos for their own side.

When I say natural resources, I speak of Oil, the substance which fuels the american economy, and the middle east is a major producer of it. The reasons the States are so imperialistic in the middle east, is to maintain their oil concerns, and if they did not controll the governments of OPEC, they would not be in controll of their own economy.
I do not know if there is any oil in afganistan or not, and I did not mean to infer that the states and ussr did this only to Afganistan, but to the middle east in general.

Hmmm, this is atracting more flames then I wanted, I realize its a touchy subject, with every american (and probably many other western nations) being bombarded by propeganda that al queda is evil, any one who says else wise is evil, but put that aside for a minuite, and tell me what someone living in the middle east should do when:

They, and there fellow countrymen are in desolate poverty, and there government is controled by a foreign land who is intrested in maintaining the status quo.


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Al Queda actually has accomplished its goals- the response to 9/11 seriously weakened the country's legislation by taking away freedom in the name of terrorism, infringing on free speech, causing the country to become prejudiced against middle-eastern people, and generally wreaking havoc with the atmosphere and sanity of the United States. I think instead of collapsing in about seventy-five years it'll probably collapse in fifty.

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How exactly do we control the Middle east?
The only nation that I think we have some say over is isreal and even then they really don't care what we say.Their recent counter-attack for the terrorist bombings right after our diplomat left shows that.

The United states are only guilty for buying oil from corrupt dictatorships that in turn use the United states to blame all their problems on.Why don't we do anything about it?We get a good deal on the oil thats why.

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What? I'm bored and have a nasty hangover. Oh, you're no fun anymore.

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Hmmm, methinks some mod should move this over to the debate forum.


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Besides, Al Quida's goals is to kill all the infidel swine.

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Hmmm, this is atracting more flames then I wanted, I realize its a touchy subject, with every american (and probably many other western nations) being bombarded by propeganda that al queda is evil, any one who says else wise is evil, but put that aside for a minuite, and tell me what someone living in the middle east should do when:

They, and there fellow countrymen are in desolate poverty, and there government is controled by a foreign land who is intrested in maintaining the status quo.


This, ladies and gents, is that which we call an exaturated half-truth. Your scenarios are FAR too extreme and you fail to take into account many other factors.

You know, a lot of this is the fault of the self governing fools. Example? Under the taliban government, you could be executed for laughing. That's right. Laugh and you DIE. I don't know about you, but if I was in that situation, I'd be looking for someone to blame. A scapegoat. Enter America.

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Ehh never heard that one *shrugs* but i'm not part of the tailban so i wouldn't know

ok firstly: Debate Forum. Remember people: White goes into the washing machine first THEN coloured is washed in the washing machine (err that sounded a lot funnier before i typed it)

Secondly: if Anyone wants i'll gather up some supposed facts about al-qauda and post em here. Just to give you guys an idea of what al-quada thinks of USA (ok did you really think EVERY single one of them are 'Die american Dog Die!'... there' gotta be at least ONE guy who's sitting in the corner who's going 'Love and Peace!'. Course they then kick his ass everyday but he doesn't seem to mind)

i also need to type out people's opinion (and mine)about Jihad. but I've got to much work to do!


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When I say natural resources, I speak of Oil, the substance which fuels the american economy, and the middle east is a major producer of it.


First of all, the middle east would not have had their precious oil to sell to us if we hadn't discovered the fields, build the first oil dericks, and set up the first refineries in the first place. The American oil companies got permission to explore for oil in the middle east from the local governments, and we hit the jackpot. So, the companies profited handsomely from the oil and the local governments, not satisfied with the taxes they got from them, decided to nationalize them in the 50's, which means that the oil wells and refineries that WE paid for got stolen from us. Now, the Saudis use the money they make from oil to fund their wahabi schools which turn out radicals who become the foot soldiers of Al Qaeda and it is no suprize that most of the hijackers on 9-11 were Saudi. It is perverse, we pay them for the oil that we paid to make available, for the price of the blood of our countrymen who were killed and the blood of our soldiers who will die in this war.

So, who is the real exploiter, bigmac???


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On 2002-11-02 17:31, bigmacd24 wrote:
Perhaps I was a little vauge, allow me to reiterate.

I do not support al queda, I simply understand where they are coming from.

Imperialistic and isolationists don't nesecarily have oposite roles,



You do realize you are a fucking moron right? Isolationism is not doing ANYTHING outside your own country. Imperialism is taking over other countries OUTSIDE your won. Get a clue and a dictionary jackass.

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take what america does in Saudi Arabia, or in the middle east in general. They knock over any government they do not like, and keep on doing it until there is a government that kow-tows to them.


Any chance you could give an example? Say something more recent that the 70's? Last I checked Iran, Syria, and many other countries over there are none to friendly... Oh wait you were too stupid to get your facts straight.

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In this way, they controll the middle east (imperialism) while being able to refuse the citizens of those countries rights ascotiated with american citizens (isolationist). America is pretty sneaky, but also really cool for being able to pull shit off like that.


You do realize that is in NO WAY isolationist? That is standard Imperial policy. Again a dictionary, two brain cells to rub together, and a clue about politics and istory would help.

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When I said root of the problem, I ment america in general. Attacking innocent people is not the answer, but it was used as a last resort by a despirate people to get their vioces heard.


Desparate people you say? Get teir voices heard you say? Their situation WAS OF THEIR OWN MAKING! We helped them and when they had won we left. How is America te problem? You do realize that Europe meddles as much or more than the US and often to much more destructive side-effects. Tis is a case of scapegoating. And idiots like yourself are too ignorant to understand that.

And they WERE getting their voices heard Jack-Ass. The United States had little or nothing to do with them. They had many governments ears and even a TV station that plays their propaganda. If you think their brand of ignorant radical religious zealotry is what this world needs to fix SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BROKEN then you need to leave the western world before i kick your ass out of it. Their biggest bitch turns out to be we aren't giving them enough support because they are too stupid to live in the modern world.

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I dislike the term 'evil' being used, it was never my intention to say that I supported al-queda, but simply that I didn't think their goals were bad, and while I don't support their means, I don't think that they had much of a choice in the matter.


You, sir, are fucking clueless. Your statement declares your support for them. Try reading it from a rational persons perspective (oh wait that takes intelligence) And no choice in the matter? There are MANY organization set up to provide people like these voices in the world. They never once used them. They attacked us out of jealousy because their way of life FAILED and ours is a HUGE SUCCESS!

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As far as i've read, al-queda dislikes American involvement in the middle east. The 'crush the infidels' shtick is part of that I suppose, and is a nice sound clip for both the eight oclock news in the western world, and the recruitment videos for their own side.


How about this. You read Al-queda literature and tell me that. They want to subjugate EVERYONE to their way of living and believing. Tey want to recreate the Muslim empire that was CRUSHED 400 years ago. If it wasn't involvement in the middle east (which we were asked to do btw) it would be something else.

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When I say natural resources, I speak of Oil, the substance which fuels the american economy, and the middle east is a major producer of it. The reasons the States are so imperialistic in the middle east, is to maintain their oil concerns, and if they did not controll the governments of OPEC, they would not be in controll of their own economy.


hmmm thats why we allow the Saudi's to exist. Oh and we were talking Afgani resources fucker. Not the middle east where the resources will be obsolete in 20 years. At which point water will fuel the american economy...

Oh and just to point out we DON'T control the OPEC countries. A little forgien knowledge would help here you ignorant bafoon, pull your head out of your ass and look upon te world that is revealed.

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I do not know if there is any oil in afganistan or not, and I did not mean to infer that the states and ussr did this only to Afganistan, but to the middle east in general.

Hmmm, this is atracting more flames then I wanted, I realize its a touchy subject, with every american (and probably many other western nations) being bombarded by propeganda that al queda is evil, any one who says else wise is evil, but put that aside for a minuite, and tell me what someone living in the middle east should do when:

They, and there fellow countrymen are in desolate poverty, and there government is controled by a foreign land who is intrested in maintaining the status quo.


You obviously know nothing about any government in the middle east. There are at most 2 that we ave any major influential control over. They are also the SAME GOVERNMENTS TEY HAD 400 YEARS AGO! It is the governments they maintain that keep the people in poverty you moron. Get a fucking clue and come back later.

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