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Bush does not do anything: his advisors run the country. Bush has spent more time vacationing and campaigning for Republican candidates than he has "working." He raised $140 million in campaign funds.

What has he done that was stupid?
-Committed corporate fraud
-Driven European investors from the American economy
-Raised protective tariffs for steel and lumber
-Created tax breaks that gave $700 million to the richest 1% of Americans
-Squandered our national surplus on a tax cut that could have safeguarded social security and Medicare
-Looked the other way while Enron and Worldcom stole billions from employees and consumers
-Failed to sign the Kyoto Protocol
-Supported drilling for oil in the Arctic but opposed forcing SUV to follow fuel economy laws (DUH, stupid)
-Violated the civil rights of both foreigners and Americans after Sept 11
-Ignored all the signs that a terrorist attack was coming
-Hid like a little bitch after the attacks happened


I could go on, like Bush has the grammatical skills and vocabulary of a 7th grader. But why bother?

You voted against Gore because he was too smart for you and actually knew what he was doing.

If you are a white male who makes more that $50,000 a year, and you vote Republican, you are a selfish asshole.

If you are not a white male who makes more than $50,000 a year and vote Republican, you are a fucking dumbass.

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Now, my response. Note that I call him '8-bird'.

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What has he done that was stupid?
-Committed corporate fraud


Lets be realistic, 8-bird. He was investigated for that 7 times, several times by fierce democratic people who wanted to get some dirt on him. None of this has resulted in anything.

I mean, shit, if I was investigated and not brought up on charges 7 times, I would assume thats good enough for most people to assume I didn't do anything.

Ho-hum, nothing is good enough for 8-bird when the EVAL PHASHIST REPUBLIKKKANS are concerned.

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-Driven European investors from the American economy


Lets see...how did Bush personally drive the europeans from the american economy, anyway?

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-Raised protective tariffs for steel and lumber


I'm no economist, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of that to encourage domestic production which, in theory, helps the economy? You know, I'm just completely groping in the dark here, but I would assume that making it cheaper to buy from companies here rather than abroad would be a...help?...to our failing economy?

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-Created tax breaks that gave $700 million to the richest 1% of Americans


Yes, 8-bird, we heard this line before. The evil rich people who should be taxed at 90% of their income, because they don't need it, job wages should be based on how much you help out everyone else etc etc.

I don't get it, 8-bird. You preach about fairness to the poor, but apparently hate it when the rich get the same tax cut that everyone else does. Why is that? A 2% tax break is a 2% tax break, and I don't see a problem with it as long as it applies across the board.

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-Squandered our national surplus on a tax cut that could have safeguarded social security and Medicare


What surplus? The one Clinton left him with?
Come on, stop being silly. Surplus implies that we wern't...how many billions still in the hole when Bush took office?

But I digress. The tax cut, over the time it has been planned for, is a miniscule cut out of the GNP. I don't think that realistically you can say that the cut would 'save' medicare or social security, had it not been done.

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-Looked the other way while Enron and Worldcom stole billions from employees and consumers


1st, you have no solid proof that Bush knew beforehand of this stuff, just speculation, weak connections, and a prejudice against Bush.
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What about the congressional investigations that are STILL going on AS WE SPEAK? Thats an odd way to 'look the other way', 8-bird.

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-Failed to sign the Kyoto Protocol


How is this stupid? Pander to japanese business and hurt the American economy even more or refuse to have the economy dragged further down by the expenses the kyoto protocols would entail? Seems like a simple choice for me.

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-Supported drilling for oil in the Arctic but opposed forcing SUV to follow fuel economy laws (DUH, stupid)


Well, I'm a Californian who was obsessed with this particular bill, so let me tell you how it went down.

The way the bill was set up. SUVs would be illegal to sell unless the fuel economy was improved to something like 25 miles to the gallon. The supporters claimed that the evil evil car companies had the technology to make SUVs that way on their selves, but just refused to enact it. Universally, when asked exactly what this technology is, they had no actual idea- they just heard it somewhere.

Unless you yourself are aware of this on-the-shelf technology that would improve SUV mialedge that much, thats how it would go down. I prefer SUVs to be, you know, legal to sell, so yeah.

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-Violated the civil rights of both foreigners and Americans after Sept 11


True, and a stupid move.

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-Ignored all the signs that a terrorist attack was coming


Is there some information I am missing here? What exactly were the obvious signs that Bush was briefed on that he also ignored?

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-Hid like a little bitch after the attacks happened


Low blow, 8-bird.

What the fuck do you EXPECT him to do, exactly? 'Lets see, we're under terrorist attack, and they're hitting political targets. I am the president, a rather large political target. Gee, I think I'm going to stay here and give speeches!'?

Oi...

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You voted against Gore because he was too smart for you and actually knew what he was doing.


Here we see the closet aristocrat. 'If you don't agree with me you're a stupid fuck.'

Can we get any more elitist than that, 8-bird? How about some republican hate speech, or a speech about how inherintly superior in every way Marxists and Liberals are?

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Senorfrank, if you are a white male who makes more that $50,000 a year, and you vote Republican, you are a selfish asshole.


...? Hold on. Raised taxes, for everyone, is a bad thing for the rich people but bad for the middle class?

Little trivia, 8-bird. Over 90% of the taxes in California- which is a fiercely democratic state- are payed for by, surprise surprise, THE LOWER AND MIDDLE CLASS. Who gets hurt the most by tax raises, again? Who is being selfish by wanting the taxes to be cut, again?

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-Committed corporate fraud

I think he's too stupid to be deceptive, honestly.
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-Driven European investors from the American economy

George W. Bush has NO DIRECT CONTROL of the U.S. Economy. The current "recession" is what's driving them away.
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-Raised protective tariffs for steel and lumber

So? We've been doing that for 100's of years. We forced our citizens to buy our own crappy manufactured goods in the 1800's under the American system, and look how well that worked out.
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-Created tax breaks that gave $700 million to the richest 1% of Americans

You neglect to mention that the richest 1% of Americans pay insane amounts of money. I think the richest 10% of tax payers provide something like 90% of the tax money that's collected. Give the rich people a break.
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-Squandered our national surplus on a tax cut that could have safeguarded social security and Medicare

-Social Security is doomed. It's almost certain to destroy the economy because we're starting to have too many goddamn old people and not enough young people to pay their taxes. It should be taken out and beaten with a stick. And Medicare sucks - let's have socialized medicine.
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-Looked the other way while Enron and Worldcom stole billions from employees and consumers

Again - Too stupid.
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-Failed to sign the Kyoto Protocol
-Supported drilling for oil in the Arctic but opposed forcing SUV to follow fuel economy laws (DUH, stupid)

The kyoto is a shortsided measure - Japan passed it because their industry overproduced pollution and turned Japan into a hellhole, and turned Japan into a nation of environmentalists. Our environmental protection standards that are in place already are satisfactory, and we can't increase environmental restrictions in this time of economic instability.
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-Violated the civil rights of both foreigners and Americans after Sept 11

The government violated their civil rights - he doesn't have enough power to pull that kind of crap on his own. He may have sat idly by and let it happen, but I'd blame America's "Buck-tossing" policy for that more.
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-Ignored all the signs that a terrorist attack was coming

No, the FBI and CIA and all those other agencies did that. And even then, it's easier to predict the future when it's already happened.
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-Hid like a little bitch after the attacks happened

You think of the president as a king, a tyrant... He's not - Blame king congress and the american people for their horrible reactions. The president is a figurehead designed to let the uneducated masses believe that there's someone in charge of this mess we call the U.S.A.

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Well, if the President has no actual power, as you seem to say, then how can he also simultaneosly claim to be helping the country? If powerlessness is the only reason why he isn't guilty of many of those things, then that leaves us with two choices: A. He has power, and so is guilty of, for example, reducing civil liberties, or B. He has no power, so he's just a liar whenever he takes credit for anything.

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You neglect to mention that the richest 1% of Americans pay insane amounts of money. I think the richest 10% of tax payers provide something like 90% of the tax money that's collected. Give the rich people a break.

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Um....I'm not sure on the exact percentages, but that richest 10% also has something like 90% of the money.
And, quite frankly, if you're living in a mansion you don't really need a break.

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I don't get it, 8-bird. You preach about fairness to the poor, but apparently hate it when the rich get the same tax cut that everyone else does. Why is that? A 2% tax break is a 2% tax break, and I don't see a problem with it as long as it applies across the board.


Thing about is, rich people are more likely to save money than poor people who spend, thereby putting more money into the economy.


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Come on, stop being silly. Surplus implies that we wern't...how many billions still in the hole when Bush took office?


Did Bush do much to solve that problem?


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But I digress. The tax cut, over the time it has been planned for, is a miniscule cut out of the GNP. I don't think that realistically you can say that the cut would 'save' medicare or social security, had it not been done.


Maybe not, MiB, maybe not. Consider two facts: The tax cut is in the billions, and regardless of whether or not Medicare or Social Security can be "saved," they can still be helped. Then again, you're right, if something doesn't look like we can fix it adequately, let's not even try, right?


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-Failed to sign the Kyoto Protocol


How is this stupid?


For one thing, it strains relations with most every other 1st world nation in the world? It would not take much out of Bush's Tax cut to finance this, as the protocol consists of many things the US has already done it's own.


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Here we see the closet aristocrat. 'If you don't agree with me you're a stupid fuck.'

Can we get any more elitist than that, 8-bird?


You were talking about insults? If you watched the debates, I'm sure you noticed that, yes, Bush didn't have quite as clear a grasp on the issues as Gore, to say the least. I don't understand how this could be considered aristocratic, myself.


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How about some republican hate speech


Ooh! You mean like that whole Strom Thurmond thingie?


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Over 90% of the taxes in California- which is a fiercely democratic state- are payed for by, surprise surprise, THE LOWER AND MIDDLE CLASS. Who gets hurt the most by tax raises, again? Who is being selfish by wanting the taxes to be cut, again?


Trivia, MiB. Most people don't live in California. And raising taxes for the rich to pay for stuff that helps everyone=bad for the lower and middle classes?


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Didn't we have a debate similar to this?Almost exactly like it?I can't shake a feeling of deja vu when I look at octavian82's post.

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That's cause it's the same debate. Someone just revived it, possibly Dilbert.


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If by Dilbert, you mean my avi, I have no idea what you're talking about (I mean that seriously).

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Well yours was the first post I saw when I clicked the little flag dealie next to the topic. Must've just scrolled up or something without knowing then.


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No radio is right,you were the one to revive this thread.The last post before yours was in 2002.

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Still, it is a valid debate topic.


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Umm....yeah, sorry about that....it is an interesting topic, though...
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A dead intresting topic.

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At this point, an undead interesting topic.


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