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First, I refer you to the slight breeze that may ignite a bonfire:

http://www.dailyillini.com/jan03/jan31/ ... ry02.shtml

The short of the arguement is: Do mascots, such as UIUC's Chief Illiniwek, honor or insult (or both?).

IMO, it probably can do both very easily, depending on who is looking at it and how self-righteous they are.
There are students who have devoted their lives to seeing Illinwek removed, all of them screaming and protesting every few weeks, citing that the University is alienating the native americans from our institute. Yet, there aren' that many native americans (especially of the Illini Tribe, long extinct) that are going crazy over this. For the most part, its rich WASPs from the Chicago suburbs that are up in arms, and in my opinion they are protesting because its hip to be in touch with that racial identity you know nothing about and should be willing to die for.

Righto, thoughts, counter debates, etc?

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I'm over 1/4 cherokee with a little bit of some others in there as well. All I can say on the matter is this:

[rant]Its a mascot!!! Its supposed to build up spirit. If a piece of grain like Brutus the Buckeye (which I must say offends me more than any native american reference. I mean, just look at it. Its horrid.) can stay as a rep of his college, then the good ol' chief should stay as well.[/rant]

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I agree. I don't hear other nationalities complaining about their "racial sterotypes" being used as mascots. Vikings, Knights, Celts, Saxons, ect ect. Personally, if I were native american, I'd be damn proud. "My nationality has an element that's viewed as badass, and is being used as a cool mascot for a school. Rock on."

I don't see what the problem is. I mean, I'm a caucasion, half Lithuanian, actually. It sorta sucks that that half of me is known only for being a glorified Pollack (:-P ), but still, if there was a school who was named "The Ridgeview (insert Lithuanian badass (HAHAHAH!) name here)" I'd be fucking amped.

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The moral of the story, kids?

If it makes fun of minorities in even the slightest, most insignificant way, its a crime.

Jesus, are you white people treating us like we're 5 or some shit? We can take a few nice jokes just the same as you crackers can take the occasional hick reference.

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I think a quote from the great Shaun Micallef applies here.

"I've come to the conclusion that jokes about foriegners aren't racist... It's just that they have no sense of humour about themselves."

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Amen, Ezelek

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Yeah, pretty well my opinion, and as to the "WASP" having a team mascot, last year a Native American college somewhere in teh northwest gained a student run team called the fightin' whities, most humerous in my opinion, even if it was a protest. I took it as a funny joke and mild honor, why can't they, eh?

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Hee hee, I heard about that! It was a basketball team, I think. Highly amusing, regardless. :lol:

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You know the world would be a better place in my mind if there wern't classifications like white, black, hispanic but that we are all just people. It seems a bit dumb but if stereotypes never existed would wars ever start? I don't really know my nationality so I don't have to worry ^^;; I have tilty eyes, asian hair, but i'm tall and I have a white nose along with a ghetto booty and such so I have no idea, wouldn't the world be better if we didn't know?

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Gacktity Whackity wrote:
You know the world would be a better place in my mind if there wern't classifications like white, black, hispanic but that we are all just people. It seems a bit dumb but if stereotypes never existed would wars ever start?


I'm sure that humanity is resourceful enough to find some other stupid bullshit to slaughter one another over.

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Gacktity Whackity wrote:
You know the world would be a better place in my mind if there wern't classifications like white, black, hispanic but that we are all just people. It seems a bit dumb but if stereotypes never existed would wars ever start?


I'm not even sure this is worth dignifying with a response... But go back. Look at all the Anglo-Saxon wars. We like slaughtering each other, even though we're the same ethnicity.

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I see this as an excuse for old, rich, white guys to draw attention to themselves on issues that they have no business dealing with. Where I went to highschool, we used to be the Redskins. Then, a rich, white cheerleader complained that some native americans may be offended because we MAY offend them. I hate white people. I am white. I still hate white people.


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*chuckles a little* I can't help but agree to some degree. However, it's been my experience that stupidity seems to plague people of all colors, creeds, gender and religion, so I can't really point out one specific type of person.

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According to a poll I read in Sports Illustrated, a majority of indigenous Americans (native is a stupid word, you are native to a place if you are born there) are not offended by mascots and team names of that type.

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CommiePinko wrote:
I hate white people. I am white. I still hate white people.


Gee, you're not schizophrenic . . .


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I tend to get along with minorities better than white ppeople because, though I am white, I have a working-class background, and minorities are more likely to share it.

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Personally, I don't see why so many people are so uptight about remarks. My stepdad was partially mexican, and my mom lovingly refered to him as "her hairy little wet-back." and he laughed. And he went along with it. I've got another friend of mexican descent who constantly makes fun of himself for it. My stepdad always called me a pollack, and I've got an italian friend whom we call the "greasy wop dego". It's all in good fun. Also, I think it's because they all know you've gotta laugh at yourself once in a while, and let others do so. As long as it's in good fun, I think it's alright. But some people are so uptight I think they'd explode. *chuckles*

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I go to Florida State University (the Seminoles) and we get a lot of heat about the mascot because we are very popular football college. To tell you the truth I won't care if they changed the mascot or not. We don't mean any disrespect to the Seminoles as far as I know. We respect thier spirit, just want a little of that to rub off on our foot ball team

I also found the "Whities" to be funny too. Anyways there are teams named after whites. The Fighting Irish (Notre Dame) is one of them and I'd find that image to be a bit more offensive than our Seminole one.

Some people are too sensitive.

But then I really don't care either way.

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Devil's advocate time.

How do you know that these names are always being used in an affectionate manner? I'm sure WI would mind, for instance, a Klansmen calling him a nigger half-breed. But hey, the Klansmen says, he's only being affectionate.

Besides, saying these things just reinforces the whole thought that hey, these people ARE different, and carries us that much farther away from Gackity's ideal, where race matters as little as hair color.


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The problem IS, Abby, I've heard dear old homeboys on the corner call each other "you motherfuckin' nigger" and mean it as a complement.

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