ZOMBIE FORUMS

Rape is the most damned difficult crime in the world to adquately prove, define, prosecute, debate, talk about, goddamn near anything.

First let me say that I come out on the liberal end of this issue, advocating much harsher penalties for rape.

Second though, please don't insult everyone's intelligence by saying that old pathetic N.O.W. line that a woman never lies about rape. A large percentage of women who report rapes admit later it wasn't rape. Does that mean an accusation shouldn't be taken seriously because they might be lying? HELL NO!!! People falsely accuse each other of things all the time and rape is just different in that the he-said-she-said phenomena is so common.

Another thing that really gets peoiple running in circles is victim precipitated crime. Are people at fault for being victimized? NO! Should women make themselves an easy target for some animal? HELL NO!!!!!!! I tell women who are friends of mine to PLEASE stay out of dangerous situations! I live in San Antonio, I don't go down to the West Side wearing a sign saying "Learn to speak english Pinche Pendejos!" or to the East Side with a sign that says "God loves the KKK" or some other suicidal shit!!! I also don't play golf in an electrical storm wearing a copper hat!!!

Last thing, I saw a poll that said that 60% of colllege guys said they'd rape a woman if they were certain they'd get away with it. That should cause some women to think twice about going up to some random guy's hotel room alone. It also means that I have absolutelyt no respect for most of the male academic population. Woe to my generation...

I don't so much want to argue as see what everyone else has to say about this.

Well, I have to participate in some psychology experiments as a part of one of my classes, and they just kept asking if I was a racist rapist. I found it to be ridiculous. Anyways, more on the subject, I understand its hard to prove and such. My personal feeling, however, is if it is proved 100% that this person raped that person, punishment should be increased. Rape is one of the many things in this world that can easily leave a giant emotional scar, and that might help healing. As for women crying wolf, there should be something done about that, although I don't know what myself.

The problem with punishing women who cry wolf is that we only find out when they admit it later. If we include harsher penalties for them, they won't come forward, and these guys that were falsely accused will rot in jail.

As for harsher penalties, I am not n favor so much of jail time, the British Navy had punishments that I'd say were appropriate, how about 30 lashes and cut their left achilles tendon? On the second offense cut their balls off.

I don't like that idea of cutting their balls off. I prefer using the 'two bricks' technique. Set them up so that their balls are hanging freely, then use two bricks in the appropriate manner.

Damnit Rupe, my balls started hurting reading about that. The idea of cutting is awful enough, but the moment I read two bricks, I knew what you were getting at and suddenly thought "OUCH!". Thats all I need, another strange thing for dreams...

I must sadly not advocate the "cut/snip/rip/smash/flog/brand/burn/gnaw/etc their testicle(s) off" for one reason. If we EVER punished the wrong person, how could we live with ourselves? That is my problem with corporal punishment in general, as well.

I could only make one exception: In cases beyond ANY doubt. In those cases: see above.

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That is not saying anything about repeat offenses, Clay. Notice I'm talking about corporal punishment in general.
I believe that repeat offenders would probably fall under the above exception. Once, easily believable, we have examples to prove it. Twice: It is within the realm of possibility, lashing is iffy.... But three times would leave no doubt in my mind: Public branding is a considerable possibility.[/edit]

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Has anyone here ever heard the George Carling skit about rape?

Clay, how does your position come out as liberal?

She who stands naked atop a high hill in a lightning storm holding up a metal rod while screaming that all Gods are bastards. (Credit to Jim Bader)

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And the 60% makes me lose some more faith in humanity.

Yes I have. I also believe as well that anything can be funny if put in the correct context.

sterialization

not just for rape of course, for just about anything i could get away with putting it on, if i had Superman style x-ray eyes that's where i'd be. looking through clothes would get boring, but that "buzz.. one more little bit of urine filtered out of the gene pool" feeling would just keep on coming

plus it works with both sexes, and if you still want kids after it, hey, adopt someone

what was the topic again?

OK, I believe I said repeat offenders. Framed once, I can believe it, but at that point you should have your back stitched back together and never trust a woman again. Put yourself in another bad situation, Jeeze. Mind you I believe in First and Second degree rape charges.

This is how I'd write the laws:

If you have a first degree rape (i.e. forced violent rape, rape of a pre-menstration child) there will be evidence, vaginal tearing etc. Any doctor can diagnose that, and DNA tests can prove who it was if reported in time. Little room for doubt there. In that case execution is the best answer, people say that then more rapists would murder their victims. I say that in the day of AIDS, all rapes are life threatening. Hard to say, like I say, in a first degree case, I think castration is the answer

Second degree: insufficient consent, possible lack of consent. Including voluntary statutory rape of a teenager, mollestation of a child without clear evidence of penetration. These would be good cases for a good old fasioned British Navy Flogging(tm). If they are innocent, well, that'll teach them not to trust women and to cover their ass. Sex offender registry on first offense would be with the local police only, Stays on their record though.

Another point, if two people get drunk and have sex. the woman says it was rape when she isn't happy about it the next day. If I this happened to someone I knew I would advise him to file a complaint that it was her that raped him and that she was more sober and that he had been taken advantage of. This has ALWAYS bothered me. If two people get drunk and have sex, why is it always the guy's fault. If a woman gives consent under the influence of mind altering substaces THAT SHE KNOWINGLY CHOSE TO DRINK, I would say that this implies a willingness to rely on diminished capacities and live with the consequences. Thousands of drunk driving cases have proven that you can be held accountable for choosing to drink.

"Date-Rape" drugs are another matter entirely. If a person is found possessing GHB or Rohypnol I think it should bump the case up to First Degree, and in the case of GHB, attempted murder. That shit is responsible for well over half of the illegal drug related emergency room cases in America, it can be very dangerous. Next is Extasy-related dehydration and heat stroke, and after that, barbituric acid derivatives (seconal, nimbutol, tuinol). Alcohol-related cases outnumber all of the other drugs put together sever times over.

I think a very big issue has been missed out here; men getting raped (by other men). You may think thst it is less commen but (apparently) it is nearly as common as women being raped, its just that men don't to report it as often. Any kind of rapist who has beenproven 100% should be locked up for a long time, though i dont advocate sterilisation for teh following reasons; it won't stop teh rapist (male or female) from doing it again and it smacks me as way too close to the way Nazi Germany worked.

Child rapist should be locked away for life (literally, until they die of natural causes or their own hand). Most people seem to think that there is no honour among criminals but they couldnt be more wrong; there is alot. And when the people the peadophile is locked away with find out why that person is locked away they will do things to make their life more miserable than any court can.

And statutory rape is a blurry issue, especially if the underage person is consenting because the issue can be argued about maturity and the 'rapist' may be under the impression that the 'victim' was over that age (in the UK it is 16). Though obviously if the 'victim' is 12 and the 'rapist' is 30 then something should be done, but then it may be two peopel, one 15 and one 16 years old. Not much of a difference there eh?

PTLIS
One of my best freinds was raped when she was 8 so i know what im talking about; im the only person other than the rapists (yes, there was more than one of them).

Oh, i fogot about alcahol and date rape drugs. When the victim claims they were raped when under the influence there should be more burden burden of proof on the victim to prove that they werent consenting and did/said soemthing to show this to teh rapist. And anyone who uses date rape drugs shoulfd get the same treatment as norma lrapist because tehre is little difference barring how the victim came to be raped.

PTLIS

In some places statutory rape conviction requires a difference in age as well. I knew a girl here who was sexually active at twelve, but her boyfriend, Tim, was 14. I started hanging out with her to kkeep another guy (who was 17) away from her. He struck me as way to interested, and since he supplied her drugs. I figured he shouldn't be left alone with her.

I dated an underage girl when I was in high school. I was a junior and she was a freshman when we first started going out(remember that 17 is legal in the state of Texas). Thing is I didn't have sex with her or ever really intend to. I had just known her for several years and liked hanging out with her.

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Remember that I suggested 20 lashes, British Navy Style as punishment. I think that ripping most of the skin off someone's back is a bit more severe than whatever they'd get now.

Give a guy reason to think about how old a girl might me after he reflects on the scars his indiscretion earned him last time. And that on the second offense he gets 30, this time not limited to above the waist.

There are two people in the world who I once knew personally, and would litrally kill if I could get away with it, both are pedophiles, and once preyed on my younger sister. Enough said. Death is too good for them.

I have a younger cousin, (about 15) that is the closest thing I have to a little sister. I found out recently she has a boyfriend. I hope the guy has some sense because if he ever did anything he would have two families, ready to do various violent things to him. My family (my cousin's mother's side) have a long running family motto that violence solves problems. Her father's family are a bunch of German Rednecks who are maybe crazier than we are.

Sadly I don't think I would even be able to get to him first. My uncle and his brothers would likely solve it long before I found out.

The court systems are more and moore proving that they are failing in their original purpose. Which was to replace the old universal system of vendettas. They are giving neither justice nor satisfaction. Maybe a return to the good old days would remind them that they are not around to help people fit into society and boost their self esteem.