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 Post subject: Saddam Wins the War
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 6:40 pm 
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...in a simulation conducted by the military.


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*sigh* This is what happens when you let civies run a damned war, LBJ killed thousands of Americans with his micromanagement. Good thng the military leadership of the middle east is so stupid.

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As I've said before- a gamer who's played Starcraft for more than a day could beat the United States tacticians easily.


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I dunno -- if I was playing against the zerg, I have to get those bunkers up fast, and if I'm playing against terran or protoss, then ghosts with lockdown really help me win.

Since the US military doesn't have Lockdown (they do have ghosts), I don't know how well I'd do.

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The main problem with a starcraft approach to military is that whenever I try to get one of my roomates to go build a gas mining facility, they look at me funny. Neither of them will collect minerals for me or anything. How am I supposed to build a bunker in the front yard without minerals. I even got one of them an SCV suit...


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If I was in charge of a small country I'd offer this Van Riper guy the job of top Armed Forces Commander. He'd be my first choice if I was president of Taiwan and worried about China.

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Eronarn wrote:
As I've said before- a gamer who's played Starcraft for more than a day could beat the United States tacticians easily.


Utterly untrue because, unlike Starcraft, the U.S. military isn't designed to be balanced against all the other armies.


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That's the only reason we win, we have resources(all the minerals and gas) and technology(all the upgrades) like no one else does.

What do you say about Taiwan hiring Van Riper though? He sounds like the man for the job.

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Sounds right to me.

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What I find bizarre is that they prevented him from using motorcycles or mosques as methods of communication. I figure it would be a great way to get things done myself. And in Taiwan, Van Riper would kick some commie ass...


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Would a retired US General be privy to tactics and methods of the US military that a Iraqi general would not?

That was rhetorical.

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Alright, so I want to see how many thoughts are on this idea...

What is keeping the Koalition from using a vast quantity of knockout gas and capping all the equipped non-sleepers?

Obviously we wouldn't want to see a repeat of the Moscow Theater debacle, but I'm quite certain other forms of gas that are not opium-based can be created. It's amazing what molecular biologists can crank out with a littel retro-viral gene splicing.

This question has been vexing me for weeks now, because it would make it a hell of a lot harder to make human shields out of civilians if they're all gassed, alseep and deadweight. Can't march them around at gunpoint that way.

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And the fact that gas is prohibited as a weapon of warfare is a bit of a crimp in that plan, too.


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Bingo, the man knows his international rules of warfare!

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Oh, right on, I stand defeated amidst the (one-sided) observation of the rules.

That solves the issue neatly, but still.. if it's non-lethal, what's the difference? *heavy sigh*

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I've often wondered that myself but hey thems the rules right, wrong or indifferent.

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Kylaer wrote:
Eronarn wrote:
As I've said before- a gamer who's played Starcraft for more than a day could beat the United States tacticians easily.


Utterly untrue because, unlike Starcraft, the U.S. military isn't designed to be balanced against all the other armies.

But like Clay said, we're unbalanced in the good way, meaning we have massive technological superiority. And Starcraft does teach you how to play to your strengths. For instance, I'm not really sure why JFC seem so intent on getting to Baghdad as soon as possible. From a tactical standpoint, with our complete air superiority, it seems like the logical thing to do would be to sit outside the city for a few weeks, shore up the supply lines, and let the precision bombers do their work. Of course, I'm not privy to all the intelligence the military leaders are, but my worry is that the hard push to Baghdad is motivated more by political reasons than strategic ones.

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Probably more along the lines of the longer the war goes on, the more unpopular it'll get.

Of course acting like the war'll be really really short only hightens that, if people expect it to be short and it drags on....

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 Post subject: Salvete! Estis legens hoc. Aut, modo legitis hoc.
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Of course, that's the problem: in Starcraft, you don't have to win a political battle to maintain control/morale of your troops. Plus, units can't suicide as a last-ditch effort to kill you. Plus, if your units die, it's a much bigger problem; casualties in this war really aren't militarily significant, only politically significant.

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most police forces are equipped withstuff illegal on any battlefield for the last 90 years, expanding bullets, gasses and sprays etc, if it's 'unconventional' then it's illegal, the conventions being those of Geneva, basicly

plus nerve/chemical agents are very hard to use, the correct weather conditions have to be available, winds and humidity etc, aside from the political implications of using chemical agents (technicaly weapons of mass destruction) on Iraq, basicly make them prohibative in this case, especially theway the Iraqis haven't been engaging in large pitched battles where such an area effect/denial weapon is of most use

what? i studied 70s-80s Soviet warfare doctrines, don't get me started on the beauty of battlefield nukes...

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