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 Post subject: Former head of KGB hired by US "Homeland Security"
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 8:57 pm 
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http://www.impeach-bush-now.org/Article ... s/USSA.htm

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"Behind the Scenes in the Beltway" is published regularly online at Al Martin Raw, (http://www.almartinraw.com).





(March 17) You will be happy to learn that the former head of the KGB (the secret police of the former Soviet Union), General Yevgeni Primakov, has been hired as a consultant by the US Department of Homeland Security. Do you think he will share his expertise in "security" to prepare US citizens for domestic internal passports under the pretense of fighting the never-ending "War on Terrorism"?

CAPPS II is the name of the new program which is technically under the auspices of the US Department of Transporation, but that's only technical and the only reaosn they did that was to use the Transportation Department's budget to buy the computer hardware and software they need.

The way it works is you give them your credit card and they slide it thorough like you would in a store and then they hit a button and the monitor reads: CAPPS II, SS CTF. The SS CTF evidently stands for State Security Citizen Threat File. But it has nothing to do with the Department of Transportation. It goes directly to a division, which has been established between the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA and several other federal agencies. This is a new division, referred to as the Office of Internal Security, which is coordinating the effort to establish citizen threat files on every US citizen. It will be a huge database including credit files, medical files, political and religious affiliation, military history, attendance at anti-government rallies,etc.

The newsclip didn't point out what information is being accessed.

The only thing they'll tell you is they're going to access your credit history, but like the guy giving the interview said they will be accessing a whole lot more. They just don't tell you what it is. When the Department of Homeland Security was asked about it, they wouldn't say but replied that it would defeat the purpose if we told you what it was we were looking for.

No announcement will be made to the public about what information exactly is being accessed or exactly how much information or what type of information is going to be included in each citizen's security threat file.

What I liked about this segment is that they interviewed General Yevgeni Primakov, who is now a consultant to the Department of Homeland Security along with General Alexander Karpov.

Primakov was laughing about it because he's getting paid a big fee to do it. He doesn't care, of course. Primakov speaks beautiful English, as you would expect a former head of the KGB to do. When he was asked what is this CAPPS II program really about, because obviously even "terrorists" could have credit ratings.

Primakov said that this is one of the steps now being employed along with NICA and new identity upgrade features which are coming to your driver's license. It is being used to get the people used to new types of documentation and carrying new types of identity cards pursuant to the United States instituting a formal policy of internal passports.And he actually used the words "internal passports."

It's like he said and he was pretty knowledgeable. When the NICA (National Identity Card Act) gets passed, the Posse Comitatus Act gets overturned, a few other pieces of legislation yet to be proffered get passed, the White House will have more control over the American people than the Kremlin had over the Russian people when Stalin was alive. He said that and then he laughed.

What Primakov finds funny are what he calls these "right wing flag wavers" that were so anti-communist and now they're supporting a state policy of internal passports.

The irony is deafening.

Old right wing farts -- turn up your hearing aids for the irony is deafening.

Primakov continued by saying that he had been hired as a consultant and he was consulting on other "security" matters, an ongoing policy in various agencies of government (some of these offices haven't even been created yet) to consistently narrow the rights of the American people and to expand the power of government. He professed not to know why, the reason for all this was, other than he admitted that "it doesn't have much to do with 'fighting terrorism.'"

In other words, it's funny that we need a commie to come over here and tell people the truth. And remember its not just any commie, it's the former head of the KGB, who is being (paid) for with taxpayers' money from all the (naive) flag wavers out there.

If you think about it - how ironic this whole thing is. And it's not only Primakov, who was, by the way the last general of the KGB, before the KGB was changed to RFSS. Look who else was hired. There's General Primakov.

Then there's General Karpov, former KGB station chief of their Washington station at their embassy and the first director of the Russian Federal Security Service.

You could call this the "Sovietization of America." Primakov said he can't wait to get on the payroll (he called it the "pay corps," referring to the Heritage Foundation, the PNAC and all the other right wing foundations in the United States) He cant get over how many ex-KGB generals and colonels still want to come over to the United States and become consultants to get on the pay corps.

It has been reported that Nikita Krushchev Jr works for the Heritage Foundation. Another right wing foundation has Elena Stalin. The Old Soviet Brand names are all coming to Washington to get on the gravy train and teach the Bush administration how to further restrict the rights of the American people.

And Primakov is waiting for the USSA, The United Soviet States of America. It'll probably make him feel right at home.

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I really want to see what MiB has to say about this.

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Goddamn invalid_session...

Anyway, I hesitate to believe an article from impeach-bush.com, which cites www.almartinraw.com

Lets take a look at his website. Tabloidish, conspiracy-theory oriented, claiming to have "exclusives" on these "secrets." Compare this to, say, the national enquirer. You will see the same theme, if not the same subject. But wait, MiB! you say. He uses QUOTES! And he has RAW, right there in his website name! So it has to be true!

Now one of his well-researched articles.

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(Mar 31) Like the Roman Imperial legions, American troops in Iraq have met stiff and unexpected resistance to their invasion. Meanwhile the American plebes, surfeited by junk food, false “reality” shows and mind numbing sitcoms (this era’s version of bread and circuses) watch the Pentagon as it spins for the ProGovNet (Pro-Government Network) Media -- oblivious to the carnage and destruction of the Bush Cabal’s War on Iraq.


From the first line on he's plain old lying. "Stiff and unexpected resistance"? Name one US unit that has been held up for a significant period of time by Iraqi soldiers. Oh, wait, you can't.

Next his elitist dismissing of the American people as 'plebes, surfeited by junk food, false 'reality' shows and mind numbing sitcoms.' Come on. The only way you're going to read this article any further is if those are your feelings- which means you're an elitist bastard and should be stabbed multiple times. Or, in my own case, to see just how stupid this website is.

Next he claims the "media" is rabidly pro-gov. Nevermind they, in an attempt to make a story out of anything possible, have blown everything that is happening out of proportion, from supply situations to enemy resistances. The fact is, if anything, the media is hurting the war effort. Nevermind the facts, though.

Why do you need those when you have idiots like P51 over here that will believe anything that is anti-Bush, or anti-US?

You know, at first I was honestly so shocked that you would insult the intelligence of everyone on the boards here by posting such an article, with so little substance behind it. I assumed it was an April Fool's joke...but you posted this today.

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 Post subject: *Not bothering to read all that...*
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*Skims over P51's message*

Are you sure he's taking it seriously? Maybe he just wanted you to rip into the article, MiB.


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Why do you need those when you have idiots like P51 over here that will believe anything that is anti-Bush, or anti-US?


You really like insulting people don't you?

First off, if the article was on a site called impeach Bush now, I dare say that P51 was not intending it as an unbiased look at something. If it does not explicitly say that it is a joke I would assume that there is atleast some truth to it.

About the media being pro-gov. I agree that they are hurting the war effort, Iraq might as well just scrap their entire intel department for all the good it would do over CNN. But they also are not making the military out to be in dire straights, they play to whatever keeps the public entertained. The public wants to believe their troops are being loved, hence so many articles on citizens rejoicing. The public wants to believe their troops are fighting a desperate and heroic battle not just popping Iraqis with their pants down. They really should make a 24/7 ficticious news channel so the regular ones can get back to decent reporting.


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Unbiased media just isn't going to happen.If you look at the Arab news network Al-jeezera all they harp on about is civilian casualties left and right.They seem to ignore how many people have died under saddam but with the audience they are appealing to I would probably do the same thing as they are.

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Errr right Barghest. Actually they don't really harp about civilian casualties any more than is really necessary. Those are in the past and they were reported on then. Civilians are dieing right now and hence it is news. They have no reason to make a case for or against the war in Iraq, they are showing whats happening. They can't very well show footage of US troops since the only units with Al-Jazeera reporters embedded in them are still sitting in the middle of nowhere in Kuwait on standby.

Most people who watch Al-Jezeera also watch CNN or some equivalent, because each is biased in one direction or another. The reason Al-Jezeera is popular with many people in the Arab world is that they aren't particularly concerned with broadcasting what will be viewed as "offensive" material. Hence the images of American POWs. If CNN showed them very often they would probably get sued by the families of the POWs.


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Good point.


Hmm,I wonder what life is like without the constant threat of lawsuits...

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Really, normally I am all for allowing just about anything including exercises in stupidity (i.e. violent anti-war protestors), but the right to sue is quite ridiculous. Namely burglars who sue homeowners because they injure themselves breaking in.


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MiB: Most things I post I'm unsure of the validity of them, I just post them because I find them interesting and like seeing how people react to them. You usually act the harshest towards anything posted, and always dismiss them immediately.
I'm not really sure of the validity of this article, but it's something worth looking into.
I'd like to know more about this "newsclip" they're referencing in their article.

Edit: I just found something about Primakov on some other cite: something called "CSIS"

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International Council on Terrorism. The Council, under the chairmanship of CSIS trustee Henry Kissinger, has brought together former heads of government - including former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, former Spanish Prime Minister Felipe Gonzalez and former Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov - top policymakers and business leaders to propose ways of supporting and improving the efficacy of the war on terrorism. (Dan Benjamin, Senior Fellow, International Security Program)

Bold added by me, to make the name stand out more.

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... de=98-D_14
An old article by the "Center for Security Policy" refers to Primakov as a former KGB agent.

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With the crisis arising from Saddam Hussein's systematic violation of the Gulf War cease-fire headed for another crescendo, it is predictable that Russian Foreign Minister Yevgeny Primakov will shortly be in the news again. Expect to see this erstwhile KGB agent once again using every available vehicle to denounce the use of force against his client, Saddam -- and to impede the Clinton Administration from engaging in such use.



So, it's established that he was a KGB agent. And he participated in an "International council on terroism". Though I'm still unsure of what connection he has with the department of homeland security.

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Really, normally I am all for allowing just about anything including exercises in stupidity (i.e. violent anti-war protestors), but the right to sue is quite ridiculous. Namely burglars who sue homeowners because they injure themselves breaking in.


The "Right to Sue" is not the problem, it is the administration of civil law and the handling of liability, which seems to be so limitless that anyone is liable for anything!!!

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Just because the source is obviously biased doesn't mean that it would outright lie, or misquote someone.

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