Wandering Idiot wrote:
There's no paradox. I said Ve could could be a bastard, i.e. not omnibenevolent, and as such could have done a shoddy job on purpose. Just for kicks. Which would mean MiB wouldn't respect Ver, but I think God can live with that...
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Note the topic of discussion was "the christian god as popularly portrayed in Christian culture"
Thus you LOSE like the dirty whore you are.
Wandering Idiot wrote:
And of course God is required to do only things which make sense to you. What makes you so sure God is even sane?
[ObMiB]
If your arguement is that God cannot be understood logically at all, then why are you bothering to engage in a
logical arguement about God? If you wish, just state that and leave, rather than mucking up the thread with useless bullshit that makes any halfway intelligent person's head hurt.
[/ObMiB]
Supposing you're right, this entire discussion is moot and everyone loses. The theological equivalent of "rocks fall, everyone dies."
Wandering Idiot wrote:
But perhaps Ve likes to work within the boundaries of causality, in which actions have effects. Vis Plan would still be unaffected, as Ve would simply do everything required to bring it about within said rules.
Not only do you say "God cannot work in ways we understand" but in the next sentence you claim he works within the bounds of casuality? Isn't that a bit, uhm, contradictory? He's an insane bastard who doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself...but he wants to play by the rules.
Again, I referr you to the above comment. Sure, it makes sense if you claim God shouldn't make any sense at all to us, but if thats the case why are you bothering me?
Wandering Idiot wrote:
Rocks fall, everyone dies
oops, wrong quote, and paraphrased to boot...
Wandering Idiot wrote:
I've said it before, but... Weirdest. Priest. Ever. :)
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<3 WI
Erm, I didn't mean prayer as a tool of comfort and connection to one's comrades in religion was stupid; I was claiming that, prayer as a tool to get one's will done via some idiotic concept of God as our babysitter is not only rather, euhm, ignorant and a throwback in terms of intellectual honesty, but also a black mark on the person morally.
When I pray, it is to help myself find meaning in something, not divine intervention. Its a plea to my own religiousness; I don't expect God to fly down from the clouds and teach me. But it makes me feel better all the same, and gives me clarity of thought. In that, prayer is a good thing.
Wandering Idiot wrote:
The Matrix-fanatic in me feels compelled to mention that this is exactly the type of god the Oracle is. Of course, she has something of an excuse, since she's not omnipotent, and thus it's the only way she can get things done. And she risked her own life and the destruction of two worlds in the process.
Still a manipulative bitch, though.
Which is a good arguement on why exactly God wouldn't act that way. If he works within the bounds of a powerful but limited being, then he isn't really omnipotent then, is he?
-MiB