I hope I haven't skipped over anything. I've been reading through the debate so far (Herbal Enema, I think I love you <3)
Here are some interesting links of teen abortions/misscarriages/birth rates:
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http://home.earthlink.net/~mmales/yt-sex.htm
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http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/010201/sex-book.shtml
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http://www.agirllikeu.com/mind_pregnancy.asp
That's our happy little world. Fuck knows I'm fully Pro-Choice. I don't like the process of pregnancy, I don't like children, I don't like what children become. But that's my personal opinion. Everybody is free to operate however they wish. A few of my reasons are along something like this (there are countless others):
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- To not live at all is neutral. They enjoy none of the joys of life, however they are spared from the torments that come with it as well. If you know a child's life will net unhappiness and pain then it is perfectly reasonable to spare the child that.
- Faced with the option of drastically reducing my income, educational possibilities, employment options, etc. and putting a bullet in the brain of some poor fucker I don't even know all that well, with full legal protection of my action, I might be tempted to go for the bullet option.
- I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- fetii are parasites. Sometimes welcome, sometimes not. Certainly never to be taken lightly.
- "Well, if I get pregnant when I'm not ready, I'll just drink it into submission and beat my stomach until I miscarry, because then I won't have had an abortion, and I won't have to deal with the kid!"
As far as that last one is concerned, I'm likely to do much more hazardous and toxious things than just drink and beat myself. If you people know me at all... but that's not the issue. Miscarriage does far more emotional scarring and hurts the body far more than a simple abortion. And if you're pro-life and beat the child out of you, then you've murdered your child in a much worse way and you lose the point of not having an abortion. Something to think about.
As far as I can see this, the whole issue is debating ethics and morality. A banning of abortion is done purely because part of the population views this as murder. But since when is it their duty to shove their own personal morals down other people's throats? You're going to become as bad as the Communist world leaders (no disrespect, but their utopian paradise was full of violence and rebellion).
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You can bitch and complain and rant about how their morals are inferior to yours, but it doesn't mean a damn thing, because once a person is truly set on something, they believe it's right.
This applies more to more than abortion. Really insightful, in my opinion. Wars are started because of this... daily dilemas even. And it's a true aspect of human nature... look at a few of those who preach Christianity (again, no disrespect, but some people preach out of context, like the KKK).
Pro-choice means simply that.
choice You don't have to kill your accidents if you don't want to. But it should be an option free to everyone. We all have different personal morals one way or another, we need to find a way to co-exist with them. And so pro-life peolpe can live in their happy self-ritcheous dignity, thinking themselves above the pro-choice people who found happiness through different means.
Now, quotes I just wanted to say something on:
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To save it from a bad life that it wouldn't want. Well, a bad life is better than no life at all. Even in a bad life a child has the ability to learn, to grow, to gain experience and possibly rise above what most would call a "bad life."
Wow. You're extremely unsympathetic and close-minded. No offense, but wh00sh! Haha. Sometimes the curse of living is bestowed on the angsty, but also on those who can't help it. Depression being a physical disease. Life can be a blessing sure, but it's not up to you to make the decision on behave of all who have lived, all who do live, and all who will ever live. (btw, it's more likey the kid is going to be cursed, you'd be surprised how that fucks with a child, I have many friends in that situation I've seen it wreak havoc upon.......) *stabs the quote*
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Why shouldn't I kill someone who's inconvenient to me if I can get away with it?
You know... people do reason it that way. People do do things like that. Why do you think murder rates are so high...? Fuck, the only thing stopping me and a bunch of other people is the fact that it takes so much effort to commit the perfect crime. ~_~ Why shouldn't you kill someone? Because you're very likely not going to get away with it.
But let's get off morality. Because it's "immoral" to murder. Whatever. As well as having different morals, people also have different opinions. Opinions on who should live and who shouldn't. The law is there to protect countless murders just because a person said something rude, or because a person bumped into another. People are extremely stupid and do take advantage of most everything they can get away with. Making murder illegal is just convenient, so everyone doesn't live in the drastic fear of the middle ages. And people try to get away with it anyways, this just prevents some. Besides, what if someone murdered the president? Are they justified because they think he's annoying (hypothetically, don't apply this to Bush)? The president is important for reasons... and for that someone to get away with it is troublesome. People would live in anarchy... society would crumble... yada yada yada. I think I killed this subject. I'll leave now, it's dinner time.
Thanks for letting me get my 2 cents in.[/quote]