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 Post subject: College Students Like Bush/Another thought
PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:41 am 
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The National Review wrote:
The nation's college students, it turns out, like George W. Bush. The Harvard University's pollsters found that 61 percent of students approve of the job Bush is doing as president -- a number that is substantially higher than results of general-public polls taken at the same time. "The conventional view that the majority of America's college students are Democratic and that they care little about politics is clearly disproved by this new poll," said Dan Glickman, the former Clinton agriculture secretary who heads the Institute. The pollsters also found that more students ifentify themselves are Republicans than Democrats -- 31% to 27%


Quick interruption; these numbers are similar (around 1/4 to 1/3 for each major party.) Question: does this imply that a growing percentage of Americans, rather than vote upon party lines, see the tactics of the democrats and republicans as each having their own uses at specific times, or is it a sign that each party is so diverse as to have radically different messages at different times and places?

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They found that 59 percent of students either strongly or somewhat support the war in Iraq...(insert some Bush-aggrandizing I don't feel like typing out)


What do ya'all think?

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point 1: stats and interviews can be made to say anything the researcher wants, there is no such thing as 'pure' research, every project is funded by someone who wants to hear a certain set of results, how did you think i got a degree? by doing a research based final project that wasnt' cleaned up and shoehorned into a nice clean box?

point 2: college students aren't all either stupid or super-anti capitalist/american, some are just normal kids/adults who reflect the views of the nation just like any other sector, but it's easier to see stupid drunks and raving flag wavers as the norm as they stand out, ie not all muslims are suicide bombers, but when one pops it's hard to not be tempted to make that assumption

point 3: you dont' have to *like* Bush to agree with his policies, same with identifying with a political party, if it gets the job done etc. also political party identification has been pretty steadily dropping throughtout emancipation, people and policies are voted in, not parties (parties are still needed for reasons i won't go into here) this is generally due to parties getting closer ideologically and voters having more information on what's going on

point 4: It's rumoured that Tony Blair wears man-nappies (dipers)

point 5: i got an invite to my graduation through the post today, i thought it was from the exam board telling me they'd decided i'd failed my degree, not passed it (with a 2:1) because i won't believe it untill i put on the cloak and have the scroll in my hand

point 6: most of those points should be obvious to everyone, now be on your way

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1. Congratulations ollie
2. The World is going to hell in a hand-basket.(see 1. & 1st post.)

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It all depends on demographics. After all, the location of a university and the town surrounding it will greatly influence a person's opinion.


See, in the suburbs of Long Island from whence I came from, we were majorly Republican. After all it was fairly a conservative town with a lot of elderly, conservative thinkers.

Now in New York City, the entire school is almost on a one-track liberal basis. There are tons of Democrats and liberal thinkers. In fact, if you watched in September, we had the National Democratic Debate Election of 2004 right here at the Schimmel theatre in Pace University with all the Democratic candidates.


To give you an example of our status, the Pace University Democratic Board has 226 members while the Republican Board (which I'm on) has only 35. That's a fairly huge difference.

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Ollie's right. Polls and research can be manipulated. I tend not to trust polls much, unless I conduct them on the fly to random people. The officials who do these "popularity" polls usually go to places where they KNOW the subject's popularity is going to be high. I can nearly guarantee you that if the officials who did those polls came over here to the universities near where I live, Bush's popularity percent would be a LOT lower.

[OT]Remind me to scan and post the pictures of TSC having the wax statues of Dubya pulling his finger.[/OT]

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My university is split politically down the middle(at least in the Student Union Elections).
Every year the right bitch and moan about how the left is wasting money on protests(which is true, they spent a couple of grand on sending some hippies south to attack a refugee center and then judged the money well spent based on the arrest rate afterwards(the Student union magazine, meant to be independent but is as political as hell, had about 10 pages dedicated to it).).

Every year the left bitch and moan about the "Young Liberals"(the Liberal Party of Australia is the Right Wing party in co-alition with the National Party) and how they are going to make cross burning a sport next year and kill/crush/maim anyone thats not straight, male and white.

That the union has no power outside of the Refectories(cafeterias) makes it all the more depressing.

This year was more of the same, in fact the only year the Union ever made a difference was apparently in 1988 when a joke party managed to scrape into power. They worked to ensure that the union wouldn't become a political pissing match between the Brownshirts and the Hippies.
Next year they didn't run because they had lives, everything they changed was scrapped within 2 years by both sides.

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