ZOMBIE FORUMS

Death to minorities i.e. white males.... X_x;;;;

Seriously, I'm joking.

I agree with the notion that affirmative action's permanence these days is due to the economic situation of minorities (which in fact some of them shouldn't be called like that at all, like tha Hispanic group, now unoficially a majority). I agree I also would love to see eventually the question such as race out of any form, and affirmative action one day not needed anymore. But what I would love most is that each and everyone, regardless of their race, sex, or nationality, may be one day viewed simply as a human being, and if something from he/she strikes us as different, we should just respect it, and try approaching to have understanding.

Amen to all of that, Subaru.

I don't know about racism in Australia, to be honest I've never really noticed it. Half my friends are asian and the other half are white give or take a few and we get along pretty well with one another, I've never really noticed much animosity from people who aren't white towards me.
Although every now and then I stumble across a place that only Asian people seem to go to(like a LAN place in the city or a restraunt off a main road) and its kind of weird for a minute or so as sometimes the guys aren't speaking english. But after a minute or so you barely notice that your the only white guy in the place.

Actor aka the AZN wannabe.

you've got to be kidding me? more than half the amercia is populated by ango white people

yes you don't see much racism in largely populated areas like the big cities such as Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. However, if you go slightly inland (even an hours drive from any of thsoe cities) you will notice that almost everyone there is from an anglo background.
A few days ago me and a few friends were down in Terrigal and we walked into a shopping centre, among us was an asian girl. To no one's surprise she got stared and pointed at. Finally she snapped and asked what the morons were gaping at.
Put them in their place.

Yes, pookie. Damn those ango white people....

Fer sher! Last I heard it was spelled Anglo and had been for about 1000 years now...

Amen sister! Greed is what makes the world go round these days. Perhaps we will get beyond it one day. I personally think the best way is to try to give each generation as level as start in life as possible.

-Lifyre
I fixed that for ya...

No. It does not come down to greed. It comes down to the flaws inherent in any socialist, or mixed system of government. A system of government, say laissez-faire capitalism, does not put the government, or any government related/funded institution in a position to dispense such illegal favors.

Greed has been the red-headed step child of philosophy for far too long. I take great pride in being selfish. State-altuism is causing the problems.

Ryven-san:
Evidently, you don't see that affirmative action is not about greedy people getting what they don't deserve, it's about helping classes/groups for so long denied of opportunities to have them. We should actually stop minding if they deserve it or not, if they're going to take advantage of it to move one by themselves or keep living off the system. Because for so many years (centuries even) others took adavantage of them and built their properity and power over them, oppressing them at the slightest hint of being questioned about their actions. Honestly, not even the first 100 years of affirmative action will deliver results as desired. It took almost 1000 years for Rome to accept as citizens the many gru¿oups residing alongside them, it may well take America many years more to achieve the ultimate goal of affirmative action: the one so brilliantly expressed by Martin Luther King Jr. in his "I had a dream" speech: that people shall not be judged by the color of their skin but by their actions". For now, bear with it if you wantyou country and the world to prosper. :)

See, our country doesn't need it to prosper. It doesn't matter what happened in the past. The Jews have been the niggers of the world for mellenia, yet you don't see them complaining about not getting a fair chance. The system does not work. It blocks a large number of people who actually need help. When I am out looking for a job and both a minority and I apply for the exact same position, regardless of his or her need and experiance, the company is pressured to hire them over me, even if I am much more qualified. They are actually pressured to put less qualified people into a position simply because they are an ethnic minority. That is wrong on so many levels.

I agree that overcompensation for racism is almost as criminal as racism itself. Either way it prevents minorities from being able to naturally and fully integrate themselves into society. Though Jews are an example of people who have integrated themselves into society and been successful but are still discriminated against due to their success and their resistence to assimilation into the culture of where they live.

It is a sticky issue but frankly by just not caring people are doing their part.

The Jewish case is an interesting one- segregated for millenia because of religious reasons. However, they were not denied chances like education, jobs, or studies. Maybe it helped the unique qualities of the Jewish people- well able to survive on their economically speaking, and that they're a very much compact group and always willing to help each other out. Jewish were only branded in a social way, though they even helped the very societies that segregated them to their well-being.
However, in the American case, people were for centuries branded -and banned from-by the only fact that their color was different. And they lacked, some still, the means to help them get out of their despairing situation. Most of these minorities, in their under-paid jobs, are the ones holding the economies of some states even. Don't they deserve a chance, even if they might not take it or use it with wisdom? I may be too influenced by my marxist readings, but that's what I think.

Subaru, I would agree with you if there were absolutely zero people of "minority" status in high level positions in the world today. As it is, however, there are some, though maybe not as many as there should be. This suggests that it is not the race itself which is lacking, but the individual. So help the individual that has problems, not the race he belongs to. So yes, I agree with Kry and Ryven when they say that we should help people based on their specific financial situation rather than on the problems their race faced in the past. Concentrating on race only forces more divisiveness into the system. It only makes those who are more downtrodden than the minorities (and they exist) dislike the minorities even more, leading to more racism.

we'd better all not be forgetting that people segregate *themselves* at times, along racial and religious lines etc, this can be due to pressure from everyone else in the society but is often due to self support and social reasons within the minority themselves. Little Italys and ChinaTowns are very common just as Jewish areas of cities used to be (and still are in some cases) and this self segregation can cause as many problems as it solves, whenJewish quarters were targeted for pogroms in Imperial Russia, a few decided to raise local militias to defend their property, imposable if they were spread around the city etc, but at the same time they were separated from the rest of society leading to growing mistrust and tensions, but hey

anyway, lets not be too fast to go and help everyone we feel needs it in such a patronising way, that's just as racially motivated as stringing them all up from the closest tree, discrimination, be it positive of negative isn't really too useful on a personal level, it's a long term social measure that screws over the present generation in order to try and make life better for the next one, sucks to be around now etc

also Marxism has never had any line on racism or religion apart from 'it doesnt' matter, now, SMASH THE STATE' so I think you better ignore Marx as the dead old white guy he is

Re: Financial Aid for School

My wife had issues getting financial aid because her parents made too much money last year.

Despite the fact that they were both currently homeless and jobless. And we had letters from professionals who knew of the situation.

The financial aid office at this school sucks, and the whole system needs an overhaul.

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And I agree that affirmative action has outlived it's usefullness. Most people don't care if they hire a black guy or a white guy (that I've noticed), but fortunatly, I have not been reverese discrimiated against yet.

Although when I was in high school I did want to apply for a 'Black' scholarship, get turned down (because I'm white), then write a letter to the NAACP whining that I was turned down for a scholarship because of the color of my skin (and fail to mention it was a black scholarship and I'm white).

Unfortunatly, I'm too lazy and never got around to doing it.