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You'd be amazed to know actually that Marx DID make a couple of racist remarks in his earlier writings. Considering I'm Mexican, I should be appalled that he wrote that my countrymen were a doomed race with the worst mix in the world- that of lazy Spaniards and submissive Indians. -It's not exactly the quote, but it read more or less like this-. What I meant with "being influenced by my marxist readings" was used on a rather general form, since I do symphatize with Socialism. Actually other theorists, like Lenin and Trotsky, did make reference to the oppression caused by slavery and segregation. But that would be another different story, I guess.
And returning to affirmative action, well, i still think it's not a dead sytem yet. But it definetely needs some updating considering the new circumstances. That is all.

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Hey, Herbal, if you are married, you don't have to use parents for financial aid. Its married, 24, orphan ward of the court, have a dependant, be a veteran, or have a bachelor's degree. Once you've satisfied one of those requirements, your financial aid eligibility resides entirely on you and your wifes income.


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*reads thread*

I should note that I'm not overly fond of the idea of getting handouts from self-flagellating whites, but that's just me. Then again, maybe my skin isn't dark enough for me to be properly "disadvantaged".

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Most of these minorities, in their under-paid jobs, are the ones holding the economies of some states even. Don't they deserve a chance, even if they might not take it or use it with wisdom? I may be too influenced by my marxist readings, but that's what I think.

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Have you not heard a word anyone has said in this thread?

Financial aid based on economic situation regardless of race = good.
Financial aid based on color of skin = stupid.

I should note that the first option, if a certain minority does indeed have a higher percentage of low-paying jobs, would apply to them more anyway, without the obvious inequalities of denying aid to those of traditionally more affluent races in the same situation. It's what the school I went to (George Mason) did, and I respected them for it. There was another college that offered me a scholarship essentially because I was a minority with high SAT scores, and I turned it down. Now I ended up not finishing, but that's beside the point. The first was welcome, the second was an insult. I don't know how to say it any more simply than that.


Where's Icy, anyway? I wanted to debate his pasty white liberal ass on this...

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I'll do it for him.

"Oh its all my fault for being white, please take all my money and shoot me in the head, I am not worthy, black-skinned God!"

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I hear a lot of people saying "that If I apply for a job and I'm white and a black man with equal experience applies they(the emplyers) are pressured into hiring the black guy" Actaully to promote diversity he/she (employer) only is :pressured into filing a small percentage of the jobs withblack ppl lrge majority is open the white guy/girl. So how would you even know if they hired the black man because of affrimative action? You both have the same experience, right? Maybe it was just luck of the draw, would you feel if you got theb job that is was because you were white?

So I'm gonna lean toward aid based on fiscal factors only, race should not be a factor.

Oh, and If your white with old money that can be linked back to the slave trade and was directly linked to slavery, through labor or the sell of slaves dont you think you owe something, if not to blacks than to society as a whole?

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Krylex, I would agree with you if those bonuses wern't for me. Ive got my morals, but I like money.

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Hey, Herbal, if you are married, you don't have to use parents for financial aid. Its married, 24, orphan ward of the court, have a dependant, be a veteran, or have a bachelor's degree. Once you've satisfied one of those requirements, your financial aid eligibility resides entirely on you and your wifes income.


Krylex -- we wern't married at that point, so she didn't qualify as an independant student yet.

I just think it kinda sucks -- it took them less than 20 hours to decline her request to become an independant student -- and she submitted it a little before 3:30pm, and they are supposed to consider other requests (and review it in front of a comittee). She found out it was declined online a little after 8am the next morning (they open at 8).

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My previous post being said, one thing I forgot to mention is that legitimacy of the anti-white prejudice in matters of racism, to the extent it has any, comes from the fact that "white" is an inherently exclusionary term, whereas "black" is inclusionary. Saying something is for whites only is like saying "everybody but you and you and you", but "black" generally refers only to people of African descent. I think far fewer people would have problems if someone set up a private program for, say, students of Irish descent, than for whites in general. In such inclusionary cases it is more a matter of ethnic identify, rather than saying "down with the mud races" or something. Similarly, I think people would have a problem with a program that allowed in everyone except those of British descent, or Polish, or Jews, etc.

Hence the general disreputable character of "white supremacy" groups, as opposed to organizations for the benefit of some particular white ethnicity. "Whites" in the US is too diverse a group for such organizations to be anything other than exclusionary in their intent.

So, yeah. My .02 dollars.


EDIT: A pox on Krylex's sharp eyes...

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So thats where you've been all this time.


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So enlighten my ignorance here...Im trying to think of a single reason why benefits in your country are awarded by skin pigmentation rather then income? If the point is benefits to poor people, why dont they use income as the sole deciding factor? Is it easier to categorize people by race then income, or something?

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So enlighten my ignorance here...Im trying to think of a single reason why benefits in your country are awarded by skin pigmentation rather then income? If the point is benefits to poor people, why dont they use income as the sole deciding factor? Is it easier to categorize people by race then income, or something?


Its not necessarily easier to classify by race, but thats the way it is. If it was based purely on income, there wouldn't be a problem.


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