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Ya, I know about the whole "Fox says we never landed on the moon" thing. Hell, I watched it...and laughed at the whole thing.

Leave it to fox to do something stupid, like take Family Guy off the network...thank god Adult Swim picked it up. Now it's a huge hit, and Fox is kicking themselves.


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Oh believe me, if FOX network did a reality TV show about psychotic teenagers in rehabilitation centers (which is their next "big" hit), I'm sure they would boost their ratings right back up.

Let's see...three other things that FOX network did to put the media and their name to shame:

1) Glutton Bowl
2) Man Vs. Beast
3) That 80's Show

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and you can't forget Fox's masterstroke of Semetic-shock tv programming: When Jews Attack

quote: "It was frightening," Tong said, recalling the attack in a taped interview segment on the show. "Of course, I'd seen people being slapped by Jews on television, but you never think it'll happen to you."

I'm watching you Dave...

now, MORE PICS, LESS CHAT

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Personally, I'd have no problem with this campaign ploy, if it weren't for a few circumstances:

A) We're already in the hole. Obviously putting men on the moon and on mars is going to be a long, expensive endeavor. I doubt we have sufficient funds to pull this project off at the moment. This is going to be something we're going to have to go all or nothing on. We can't send people to other planets half-assed with half-assed funds.

B) It's all too coincidental. Bush wants to be re-elected. Let's send people to Mars! I'm not bought and sold so easily. If he had announced it earlier (granted, the Spirit or whatever it's called landed on Mars recently, but still), it would have been slightly more appealing to me. But with the presidential race knocking, it seems little more than a vote-grabbing ploy to me.

That, and I don't trust Bush any farther than I can throw him, so I'm a bit biased. And once again, it's all IMHO.

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just anouther way to draw attention away from the failing economy while at the same time hurting it more.


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Frankly, I don't care one bit about WHY Bush is doing this. I just care that he IS. If we cant suck some money for the space program out of his wish to stay in office, all the better.

Somthing good ALWAYS comes out of the space program. Some new material, the microwave, a weapon delivery system, food preservation methods, whatever. It also is a big-ass boost to the economy.

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Although this is probably another way to help him cruise into re-election, so we can continue being governed by the Dastardly wing of the Republican Party, at least we'll have totally cool spacemen and spacewomen while it happens.


I'd like to clarify this by saying that anybody who votes for Bush solely on the basis of this is an idiot.


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I'd like to clarify this by saying that anybody who votes for Bush solely on the basis of this is an idiot.
But... but... we like the moon. :cry:


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Bush's America: A bunch of goddamned creepy hat-wearing cats.


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I think Bush has ADD.
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We must capture Bin Laden, Oh look Saddam! Lets go get Saddam! Wait lok, pretty plane, lets go to mars! Wait paper bag! Paper bag!


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Hehehe. ANCIENT IS TEH WINNAR!

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This just news in, the Bush-led campaign for space exploration to Mars will not be initiated until 2030

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/1 ... index.html

So lets see here...[$12 billion x 5] + $1 billion = $61 billion...and thats just the beginning with only 5 years ahead folks! Planning for Mars will be a task far away into the future. You had better live till then.

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I am all for going to Mars and dumping money into the space program, but I read somewhere that many Nasa advisors were not included into our dear president's planning meetings. For example, one such advisor mentioned that going from the moon to mars isn't the best idea. Imagine the confusing of getting all the materials from earth to the moon and then from the moon to mars. He suggested that we get materials and people out of earth's orbit using our currents space shuttles and launch from earth orbit (where there is less gravity than the moon).

First the immigration thing, now the space program. What else is he going to do to impress the liberals?

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There is the sad fact that NASA people are institutional folk, on the dole etc etc., and notorious in the private sector for thinking inside the box to the point that would amaze most people.

Personally I don't like NASA that much, it has thrown its wait around enough to discourage private space exploration that I'm starting to get annoyed.

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This just news in, the Bush-led campaign for space exploration to Mars will not be initiated until 2030

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/1 ... index.html

So lets see here...[$12 billion x 5] + $1 billion = $61 billion...and thats just the beginning with only 5 years ahead folks! Planning for Mars will be a task far away into the future. You had better live till then.


You read that wrong I think. Its a TOTAL of 12 billion spread out over 5 years, ~$2.5 billion per year. Only $1 billion of that is NEW money the rest is taken from other areas of the budget. Also, for anyone who thinks this is a lot of money I will point out the the total US budget is over $1 trillion, NASAs budget is only a fraction of 1 percent. I don't see how $200 million a year is going to totally bankrupt the country. :roll:

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There is the sad fact that NASA people are institutional folk, on the dole etc etc., and notorious in the private sector for thinking inside the box to the point that would amaze most people.

Personally I don't like NASA that much, it has thrown its wait around enough to discourage private space exploration that I'm starting to get annoyed.

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Yes, the "not invented here" syndrome is a major factor at NASA and has killed a lot of good ideas. :( On the other hand a lot of good ideas that NASA had were killed by congress stealing their money for personal pork projects.

On another site there was a poll asking who would get to Mars first; the US, Europe or China. I voted for China because I no longer believe that our government will provide the long term funding to get us there. I still have a slight hope (but thats all it is) that a private venture will get a station going and then inevitably move outward. This would be the best thing of course but I'm not going to hold my breath.


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On another site there was a poll asking who would get to Mars first; the US, Europe or China. I voted for China because I no longer believe that our government will provide the long term funding to get us there. I still have a slight hope (but thats all it is) that a private venture will get a station going and then inevitably move outward. This would be the best thing of course but I'm not going to hold my breath.


Thats incorrect actually. In the twenty-first century, war will still be waged over the resources that can be aquired. Except this time the spoils of war are also its weapons. Petroleum and Uranium. For these resources, China will invade Alaska, the US will annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth will dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states band on controling the last remaining resources on Earth.


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You read that wrong I think. Its a TOTAL of 12 billion spread out over 5 years, ~$2.5 billion per year. Only $1 billion of that is NEW money the rest is taken from other areas of the budget. Also, for anyone who thinks this is a lot of money I will point out the the total US budget is over $1 trillion, NASAs budget is only a fraction of 1 percent. I don't see how $200 million a year is going to totally bankrupt the country.


You are right. I read that wrong; my apologies. But still if you look in the long-run, we will still not have the technology to fund a mission to Mars. Those figures are only for the Moon. I would think the Mars expedition would be a lot more costly.

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On another site there was a poll asking who would get to Mars first; the US, Europe or China. I voted for China because I no longer believe that our government will provide the long term funding to get us there. I still have a slight hope (but thats all it is) that a private venture will get a station going and then inevitably move outward. This would be the best thing of course but I'm not going to hold my breath.


Dude, the Chinese can barely get off the ground by themselves...wait, no, they had to copy us to do that, and they STILL just barely got off the ground.

Its the USA, if anyone.

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