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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:17 am 
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Ezelek wrote:
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Jim: The public does care that this money is misspent.
Sir Humphrey: With respect Minister, they care that it should not be seen to be misspent.

Sir Humphrey: Nobody was remotely concerned about what was really being done with their money, what outraged them was being told about it.
(Both from Yes Minister, The Compassionate Society)

But in the end, Humphrey always wins anyway. It's not until Yes, Prime Minister that Hacker starts to get one-up on him. [/random observation]


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Ezelek wrote:
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Jim: The public does care that this money is misspent.
Sir Humphrey: With respect Minister, they care that it should not be seen to be misspent.

Sir Humphrey: Nobody was remotely concerned about what was really being done with their money, what outraged them was being told about it.
(Both from Yes Minister, The Compassionate Society)

But in the end, Humphrey always wins anyway. It's not until Yes, Prime Minister that Hacker starts to get one-up on him. [/random observation]

I disagree, Hacker definitely gets the jump on Humphrey in Big Brother, The Greasy Pole and A Question of Loyalty. All three in the first two seasons of Yes Minister. However I do concede that he outmanoeuvres Humphrey more often as prime minister. I've found that the book of Yes Prime Minister to be rather depressing, though, especially when Hacker loses out in reforming the national education service at the end.
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My plans were turning to dust. Like all my plans. Suddenly I saw, with a real clarity that I'd never enjoyed before, that although I might win the occasional policy victory, or make some reforms, or be indulged with a few scraps from the table, nothing fundamental was ever ever going to change.

It's quite depressing, but it works as an ending. I've found that the book, while not an exact script of the episodes, does add to the show nicely.


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Honestly this is an internet forum NOT a democracy and SHOULD NOT be run like one. There is a large enough body of moderators, administrators and such. If there is a question of banning it should be discussed in that group and a FEW others, preferably those involved with the situation or with highly respected opinions. I personally like to get two other mod opinions before doing something that is punishment like.

In this case any dispute should be discussed solely with the admin/mod group and seeinf as most of us have weighed in on the not caring or mildly in favor of the ban... (insert case about grey being given too many chances)

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Another reason why democracy wouldn't work here" This isn't one community, but a patchwork of numerous communities. There's a lot of overlap, but I'm sure that Shadowlands, Midlands, Angel Knights, Mode-7, Crescent, and so on all have unique followings and forum cultures.

So let's say that somebody makes themselves into a huge problem at the Midlands forum. I PM Kyhm and ask for a ban, so it goes to vote.

But let's say our mystery poster is an Unrelated regular and his antics are well-liked enough by other Unrelated people. Unrelated is easily more popular than Midlands, the poster wins the vote and avoids a ban.

By putting the power to ban in the people's hands, it puts disproportionate power in the hands of larger forum blocs. That might be fine in the United States Constitution, but not in a community of semi-autonomous forums.


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By putting the power to ban in the people's hands, it puts disproportionate power in the hands of larger forum blocs. That might be fine in the United States Constitution, but not in a community of semi-autonomous forums.


For a second there, in my sleep deprived state, I thought that last sentance was: "...but not in a community of Semi-Automatic Fanboys.

And I thought: Rince got Hardcore and I didn't notice.

Next you'll be doing a comic with Lesbian undertones and I'll be like: WTF mate?

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Vass wrote:
I disagree, Hacker definitely gets the jump on Humphrey in Big Brother, The Greasy Pole and A Question of Loyalty. All three in the first two seasons of Yes Minister. However I do concede that he outmanoeuvres Humphrey more often as prime minister. I've found that the book of Yes Prime Minister to be rather depressing, though, especially when Hacker loses out in reforming the national education service at the end.

Only ever through the intervention of someone like Bernard, during Yes, Minister!. They're never really truly his own personal victories until later on, it's more that circumstances end up "going his way", than him winning earlier on.

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 Post subject: I'll have it noted that I do not think Grey is a "bad person."
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In my observation, I've seen Grey only do one thing that was definitively ban-worthy, in my mind. The general unwarranted, unprovoked maliciousness is certainly annoying, but it hasn't crossed into the line of spamming or anything like that. In that case, I feel people interact with him as much as they wish. He does not post overly much, and people are perfectly capable of ignoring an occasional post or two if they have the level of willpower that's common enough and generally required to get along in real life. If you want, you could imagine him as an anonymous person, and ask yourself if you care. Then beat yourself over the head with the logic of "ignore him, and he'll go away."

From what I recall, Grey did once stray into the area of publicizing private matters. That crossed the line from malicious and slightly stupid to oustandingly malicuous and/or socially inept. If that is what the ban is for, good-o, though it's a bit late. Otherwise, if it's his general social stupidity/weakness, I can't really care; in principle I'm mostly against, but I can't bring myself to not think it somewhat justified with such a level of "asshattery."

Once a decision is made, it had better be made. I've not seen many temporary bans intended as temporary, myself, though I'd certainly like to.

Rince, I believe with your Midlands example, you'd have the option of banning him from the Midlands forum specifically, due to that nice phpbb thingie. I also believe that would be perfectly acceptable to most in question.


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 Post subject: Re: I'll have it noted that I do not think Grey is a "bad person."
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In my observation, I've seen Grey only do one thing that was definitively ban-worthy, in my mind.


See, the thing is, "definately ban worthy" is pretty big. Grey did this "pretty big," and repeatedly. Besides, if it's "definately ban-worthy," then it's ban-worthy, and ban-worthy things merit a... ban. You've said you've seen him do something ban-worthy, but then you go on to say he doesn't really deserve a ban, tell us that he's not so bad, etc. Well, what does all that mean? Yes or no, that's the decision that must be made.

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 Post subject: Edited instead of posted, because this is getting old.
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From what I recall, Grey did once stray into the area of publicizing private matters. That crossed the line from malicious and slightly stupid to oustandingly malicuous and/or socially inept. If that is what the ban is for, good-o, though it's a bit late.

Do you need further explanation?

Edit: Very well, then.

Ah, then I shall attempt to decipher my ramblings and reorganize them into something more comprehendable.

Someone being mean: Not ban-worthy. People are mean. There are not rules about this until it gets to something that might actually be considered, you know, harmful.

Someone invading another's privacy, or similar: Crosses more into the lines of obviously wrong, and one would assume against any rules there might be. Ban-worthy offense.

In example: the offense Grey is currently banned for I could literally care less about (I'm not going to whine either way). He's enough of an ass that I don't care, despite how I should act according to my principles (i.e. cry out "Don't ban him! It's not against the rules to be a meanie!").

However, the aforementioned previous offense is, without a doubt, ban-worthy. It seems a little odd, though, to ban for past mistakes.

That said, act first, debate later. Hey, if it's good enough for most judicial systems in the world, it's good enough for me.

What I wish I knew was who are moderators/admins besides those listed.


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Ok, here's my approach to forum administration.

If you are an admin of a board you can do whatever the fuck you want. It truth, there is no democracy, any democracy is merely the admin deciding to follow the will of the people in one particular instance. If the admin decides, for whatever reason, that someone ought to be banned, then they are banned.

That being said, it's a good idea to listen to the people. But if you see something that you think needs to happen then do it now, ask questions later. I personally don't think it's right to ask the entire board whether or not someone should be banned, it takes too much time, and forums being the way they are it'll be all dramaed out. Better to get it done quickly and cleanly. Then discuss options later.

I don't usually go for the perm ban button right away though, I usually do a 48 hour ban first. I usually find that that's all that's needed, if they care enough about the boards to stop acting like an asshat then they will show that when they come back, if they don't then perm ban.

That being said, all this drama over his being banned is exactly as Grey would have hoped. Nothing more fulfilling for the petty soul than knowing you took down a board by acting like an asshole and getting banned for it.

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Deacon wrote:
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From what I recall, Grey did once stray into the area of publicizing private matters. That crossed the line from malicious and slightly stupid to oustandingly malicuous and/or socially inept. If that is what the ban is for, good-o, though it's a bit late.

Do you need further explanation?


I didn't, until you posted "I've seen Grey only do one thing that was definately ban worthy" and kept typing. See, all that fluff that came in the rest of that paragraph was just that, you didn't really say anything until your second, and even then you weren't very definative about the (now only semi) current situation.

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