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 Post subject: Democrat <strike>cluster fuck</strike> Nominations
PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:15 pm 
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hmm....there's a primary here in Virginia tommorow for the Democratic candidates....

so, anyone here throwing their vote and support to a Dem candidate?

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As I mentioned before I am offically ashamed of my party.

As for who to vote for.... I really don't like any of the canditates but I think I'd throw my vote in for Dean. I REALLY don' t like him (has the lean and hungry look) but I think he's the only one with enough power to fix what Bush did to the nation and our relations with other nations without making us look weak. We can't just go "opps! My bad!" and not finish what we started. Even though it was stupid things that we started, we started them, just we must finish them.

Our country has made some stupid mistakes. The answer isn't to apoloize alot and say that we will never do that again.

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In an ideal world, Kucinich would get the Democratic nomination, only to be defeated by Ralph Nader in the general election. Unfortunately, the American public is collectively retarded. Still not sure who I want to root for. Kerry has the best chance of winning, and as of now I'd do practically anything to get Bush out of office. On the other hand, I don't want to compromise my ideals, and Dean, for example, still has some chance of winning. So in conclusion, I don't know. As long as it isn't Joe "pro-choice Republican" Lieberman.


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I'd have to register to vote first ... and I believe that takes 30 days.

So no.

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Can someone explain to me this whole presidential nominations thing to me?
All I know about it is that both the republicans and the democrats go through this massively publicised preselection campaign prior to the presidential elections whenever they aren't in office, it's spread across several months and that 'in the end there can be only one'(tm).

Notable questions include:
  • Why are they called primaries, and are there secodaries?
  • Does everyone get to vote or just party members?
  • If it's party members only why does it garner so much publicity?
  • Why have both parties gone for such a public form of preselection?
  • Do the several dozen different candidates have different policies and thus it's more of a vote on a policy package, or does the winning candidate determine their policy after winning the nomination?
  • Would it be right to assume that the primaries are voluntary votes as well?
  • Why aren't the primaries all held at the same time? Is this just so that the candidates can pander to each state individually or because everyone knows how fucked up the presidential vote gets and don't want to do it on a national level twice in four months?
  • How can one tell if someone has won or lost the preselection campaign?
  • Why go through all this preselection crap when one can run as an independent in the presidential campaign (assuming you have enough cash of course)?


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1)They are called as such because they come before the final campaign and preliminary seems too infantile.

2)Just party members

3)Because there are a lot of Democrats, a lot of Republicans who want to see who will be running against their incumbent, and a lot of people who think that independants don't stand a snowballs chance in the fiery pit just to the left of Hell.

4)It adds to the mystery and intregue of the election, kinda like the non title fights in boxing.

5)We'd like to think that they have the policies we vote for, but we can't force them to keep their promises...

6)Correct

7)It would cause chaos to befall our nation; blackouts, computer failure, mass orgies, dogs and cats living together. So, to answer your question, yes.

8)When their face appears next to Bush in a few months

9)see 3

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Shinjiro wrote:
8)When their face appears next to Bush in a few months

Care to give a bit more detail? You know... details such as if candidate X wins in N states then he is the winner of the nominations or whatever the details are.
Or is there no actual relevence between all this voting and people winning primaries and who is going to end up in the presidential campaign and it is actually decided in a naked mud wrestling match between all the candidates after the primaries?

If that's the case I think the system needs to be reorganised to involve each candidate leading an army into combat (warfare period to be chosen with primaries). The last army standing with its general still alive goes on to be the presidential challenger. Oh, and they could ramble on about their policies at some stage as well. Now that's a campaign I'd be interested in watching...


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Its a hard question to answer because each state has its own system for how it goes. Since there are a bunch of different systems, I'll water it down: by whatever system, represenatives are chosen to go and vote for the canidate. The canidate with the most reps (the amount of reps each area gets is determined by the population size) becomes the democratic nominee for president.

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Mibbers! You've come back to us!


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Yeah, grey has returned so mibby is no longer in a huff. Zara has beek back on and off for a week or so(ish). Now for ero to return and we will have normality (at least in relation to this forum, in the grand scale of things we will still be good and fucked up.

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Yeah, grey has returned so mibby is no longer in a huff. Zara has beek back on and off for a week or so(ish). Now for ero to return and we will have normality (at least in relation to this forum, in the grand scale of things we will still be good and fucked up.


Let's not forget Kylaer. And Oniko. And... worst of all... WI! ;_;


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ah...but that was on another matter...therefore his return is not as guarenteed

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Zarathustra wrote:
PTLIS wrote:
Yeah, grey has returned so mibby is no longer in a huff. Zara has beek back on and off for a week or so(ish). Now for ero to return and we will have normality (at least in relation to this forum, in the grand scale of things we will still be good and fucked up.


Let's not forget Kylaer. And Oniko. And... worst of all... WI! ;_;


Damnit, I can't believe I forgot WI :-?, the shame of it... I guess I had just gotten used to his (relatively) infrequent postings and as BDM correctly pointed out that was another matter all together. Never really noticed Kylaer that much to be honest, he was more part of the general background noise of the forum (sorry!) and I believe Oniko indicated that he might return...

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Kerry sounds good. I like Kerry. I think you guys are overrating the importance of his involvement with the Vietnam war though..."OMG! he was in the war, and he later said the war is bad! He changed his mind? He must be a chameleon senator. VOTE FOR BUSH etc etc." I like his attitude, his morals, and his policy. And he does seem fairly smart. I dont get how so many americans think that anyone who believes war sucks would be a bad soldier.

However, all bets are off if his involvement with that bitchwhore Jane Fonda is anything more then "I agreed with some of her anti war stance". I do not like Jane Fonda. I personally believe she should have been executed as a traitor and a war criminal.

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Kerry sounds good. I like Kerry.


Totally, because how could the Iranians be wrong?

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I think you guys are overrating the importance of his involvement with the Vietnam war though..."OMG! he was in the war, and he later said the war is bad! He changed his mind? He must be a chameleon senator. VOTE FOR BUSH etc etc."


It'd be nice if you actually went over his wishy-washy stances. It goes something like this.

Kerry touts his service in vietnam as a big campaign deal
Kerry says he protested the war when he came home, and threw his medals back at some govt building
Kerry says wait, no, the medals wern't actually his, they were someone else's

The problem is also he has no domestic agenda besides "I like veteran's rights." His foreign policy agenda appears to be "Whats Bush doing? Okay, I'll do the opposite...but wait, maybe not...erm..."

See: Kerry says he supported the war, Kerry says he would never have gone to war, Kerry says he doesn't like the war but he'll stay in Iraq now if he's elected etc.

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I like his attitude, his morals, and his policy.


What policy, exactly? Has there been some secret Kerry-meetings that I havn't been invited to, because I've heard very little about what he'll actually do.

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And he does seem fairly smart.


It has been shown that intelligence has little bearing on one's effectiveness as the president. Roosevelt was mocked even more than Bush as really stupid, but he did alright.

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I dont get how so many americans think that anyone who believes war sucks would be a bad soldier.


I'll leave this quote up as evidence on Cenwood's immense blindness to common sense, and also sugar-coating on of Kerry's few policies.

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However, all bets are off if his involvement with that bitchwhore Jane Fonda is anything more then "I agreed with some of her anti war stance". I do not like Jane Fonda. I personally believe she should have been executed as a traitor and a war criminal.


Irony, bleeding heart liberal wants to kill people. But Saddam? We shouldn't have taken him out of power, let alone kill him. He's a legit govt etc.

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Icy, i just realized i should ask this...

WHY Kucinich? As it seems he's got about as much press as Joe Millionare 2

...and what the hell, why Nader for President while we're at it. Also, I give you the right to talk down to me to explain

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In summary from the aforementioned article...

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I am a Republican. Despite being labeled as a "Bush-ite," none of the Democratic candidates are appealing to me. It was funny one night to see my mother read the newspaper and finally yell outloud "Thats it! I'm officially changing party's! I am now a Republican." Words could not describe my happiness when she said that...

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Lord, please forgive the horrible photoshop. But at least I made Khamenei look hot...


i didnt' notice the dress untill having looked at it a good few times...

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