ZOMBIE FORUMS

thew main reason the armed forced are used as examples is becasu eit's a very easy structure to see, also the whole way that men (because it is easier to train one sex, nationality, religion etc than a mixed group) are formed into a near perfect group who understand each other and their relationship and place in the structure, in 'other' situations of the same size/scale roles are less well defined and structures and controls are lax because of it

as i said, the group mindset is "invented and implanted" in the armed forces as a matter of basic training, a civillian has their life do it for them and all come out with individual mindsets, a great problem (and possable advantage) in non-regimented structures, some 'free thinkling' is good, to much and the system breaks apart etc

also the army is pretty much the same across the world to one degree or another, but by naming a company of market sector your'e suddenly in a hugely vauge area, basicly the variables are less when discussing the army as an example, flawed as language is by this sharing of ideas through speach it's best to cut down on variables as much as possable in situations like this...

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Uh huh, you just like shooting things.

Definitely interesting to read through, and as logical as its counterpart in the field of economics. One phrase that springs to mind for it is: "Too many cooks spoil the broth."
You might want to futher explain the decline point, is that the point at which NI actually starts declining or is it just the point at which NI increases at a less that 1:1 ratio? And graph thingies, like the ones that go with the economics version.

Collective intelligence isn't something that can truly be calculated. I may do graphs just to give a general idea of what is occuring.

The decline point is the peak of the graph. It is the point after which additional individuals will be detrimental to a group.

It varies on the individual. Its not like EVERYONE magically gets stupider, of course, its just that everyone assumes "Oh, there are like 8 other people here, they'll handle it."

Partially this is common sense. A guy collapses in the street and starts convulsing? Shit man, go help him. The same guy collapses, but like 10 people rush over to him, someone calls the hospital, and some medical-looking guy is loostening his color? Problem is being dealt with, and you providing another body to get in the way wont help.

But yeah, partially this is blind group stupidity. "Ill let someone else handle it" is what everyone thinks. But people who are more individualistic might decide to do their own thing, and some people might take charge rather then let other people deal with it.

I liked the essay, before you took it down of course. I think its less of a failure to share and communicate ideas and knowledge in a larger group environment, its more of a denial of responsibility thing. But you are onto something, here. Studies have proven that smaller groups do better in stressful situations then large groups: less people to panic, easier to coordinate, etc.

Thank you for pointing that out. I should probably mention the laziness.

And like I said everyone doesn't get stupider, it is just that the collective intellectual worth of the group drops. The brain power is still there individually but they can't use it together properly.

Another factor to add in: ego.

You get any large number of people together for any significant length of time, they're going to try to rank themselves. We all want to have someone to look down on, and for the most part we even want someone to look up to.

What this means is that rapidly members of a group find themselves exerting more effort to define themselves in the group than they do towards the given purpose of the group.

I am working on patching together an html version of this document. I was wondering if there is anyone who could host it when I am done. It wouldn't have any images so it would probably be less than 20k in size.

Also, does anyone have advice for what sort of Copyright jizz to splurt on the bottom of the page to satisfy you paranoid androids?

hit me, i can host it on mt btinternet site where i keep all of the pics of me etc