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 Post subject: Is the meaning of life to shag and have babies?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:37 pm 
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Ill try not ramble on too much but I had a realisation while lying in bed alone this morning.
A friend of mine a few weeks ago turned to me out of the blue and said ?There?s no love without pain and no life without death.?
At the time I thought what a morbid out look on life but this morning it all came to me I like a bolt from the blue. *Dundundun*
Love is a way in which the body is ready or made ready to procreate. The body is tricked into feeling love for a potential mate by complex biological systems. (Sorry all you die hard romantics) However the individual has to know the level of attractiveness in the case of a woman this is resources to care for the young and for the male its looks so the young is highly attractive and can continue their genes this doesn?t necessarily have to be one woman. They can then pick the appropriate mate to procreate with. But if the ?love? is rejected the individual suffers sadness or a feeling of pain as they have been rejected on a primal level (Biological responses) hence there is no love without pain. But technically speaking there?s no love, well in the emotional sense that is.
On the subject of there?s no life without death the whole reason of life is to procreate and when the individual is unable to have or produce healthy and attractive young (see above) the individual is useless and therefore is not of any use to the ?cause? and they die. However this should be avoided, as at some point they have been a caregiver be it to their own or someone else?s offspring. And part of producing the offspring is to make sure they are healthy and able to procreate themselves. so technically speaking there shouldn?t be any death

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On a flat out fundamentally biological level, procreation is only secondary to the true purpose in life, survival. Once survival has been established, then one establishes the survival of the species and his line by passing on his genes.


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krylex wrote:
On a flat out fundamentally biological level, procreation is only secondary to the true purpose in life, survival. Once survival has been established, then one establishes the survival of the species and his line by passing on his genes.


Wrong, survival is not the purpose. Passing on one's genes to the next generation is. That's why human beings aren't really designed to live after age 50 or so; since evolution doesn't care about detrimental mutations that only appear after the age of procreation has passed, our body pretty much starts breaking down at that point. If human beings were designed to live as long as possible, we'd be quite different creatures; as it is, our bodies are designed to maximise chances of survival only long enough so that we can contribute to the gene pool of the next generation as fully as possible.


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How can I pass on my genes if a lion is about eat me? I must escape and survive first, then I can later reproduce.


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krylex wrote:
How can I pass on my genes if a lion is about eat me? I must escape and survive first, then I can later reproduce.


But survival is only a means to an end, and only one factor among many. If you can survive but you're, say, impotent, you'll still be selected against in evolution.


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Evolution only exists because the genetic strain that recreates itself a lot is the genetic strain that is most prevailent. Its a big contest to survive, on limited resources, so the creatures that survive and spread and breed are breeds that are alive today.

What I dont get is why we humans, we wonderful humans with our freakyass "sentience", feel as if life is somehow a cruel joke because there is no Point other then to grow up, fuck, and die. You make your own point for yourself. Love and sexual attraction might be "tricks" our genes play on us, but we can make them so much more, we can make love complicated or as simple as we like. Just because you live in a meat and bone body, produced due to selective evolution, doesnt mean you cant decide on your own purpose. Do whatever makes you happy and doesnt intentionally infringe on anothers happiness, find your purpose, and then go at it with a will.

My purpose is currently to download porn forever more. This makes me happy and fulfilled. Everyone should get happy and fulfilled in whatever way takes their fancy. The point of life is what you make it.

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What I dont get is why we humans, we wonderful humans with our freakyass "sentience", feel as if life is somehow a cruel joke because there is no Point other then to grow up, fuck, and die. You make your own point for yourself. Love and sexual attraction might be "tricks" our genes play on us, but we can make them so much more, we can make love complicated or as simple as we like. Just because you live in a meat and bone body, produced due to selective evolution, doesnt mean you cant decide on your own purpose. Do whatever makes you happy and doesnt intentionally infringe on anothers happiness, find your purpose, and then go at it with a will.


Why do I feel the need to back up your statment with an analogy of my own?

Consider the following: Go dig around in your boxes of old toys from when you were a kid. You'll probably find some legos (If not, weep for your childhood).

Now, take a single lego block and hold it in the palm of your hand. What is that lego block? Does it mean anything to you? Does it, on it's own merit, elicit any kind of emotion? Is it even fun? Of course not.

Now take out all the rest of your legos, and build a starship. Or a boat. Or a car. Was that fun? Didn't it remind you of your childhood? Aren't you proud of your creation?

I rest my case.

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Why do I feel the need to back up your statment with an analogy of my own?

Consider the following: Go dig around in your boxes of old toys from when you were a kid. You'll probably find some legos (If not, weep for your childhood).

Now, take a single lego block and hold it in the palm of your hand. What is that lego block? Does it mean anything to you? Does it, on it's own merit, elicit any kind of emotion? Is it even fun? Of course not.

Now take out all the rest of your legos, and build a starship. Or a boat. Or a car. Was that fun? Didn't it remind you of your childhood? Aren't you proud of your creation?

I rest my case.


That was deep. But you missed one fact. If you took that one peice of lego and lit it on fire and watched it burn. you would get enjoyment out of the fire....at least I know I do.....:twitch:

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Vaergoth wrote:
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What I dont get is why we humans, we wonderful humans with our freakyass "sentience", feel as if life is somehow a cruel joke because there is no Point other then to grow up, fuck, and die. You make your own point for yourself. Love and sexual attraction might be "tricks" our genes play on us, but we can make them so much more, we can make love complicated or as simple as we like. Just because you live in a meat and bone body, produced due to selective evolution, doesnt mean you cant decide on your own purpose. Do whatever makes you happy and doesnt intentionally infringe on anothers happiness, find your purpose, and then go at it with a will.


Why do I feel the need to back up your statment with an analogy of my own?

Consider the following: Go dig around in your boxes of old toys from when you were a kid. You'll probably find some legos (If not, weep for your childhood).

Now, take a single lego block and hold it in the palm of your hand. What is that lego block? Does it mean anything to you? Does it, on it's own merit, elicit any kind of emotion? Is it even fun? Of course not.

Now take out all the rest of your legos, and build a starship. Or a boat. Or a car. Was that fun? Didn't it remind you of your childhood? Aren't you proud of your creation?

I rest my case.


Agree.

Now I have to go do that. You know, acting like you did when you were 6 to 10 sure is fun. Stupid society and it's expectations of you.....


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The entire "there is no love, only a desire to reproduce that manifests itself as such" worldview breaks down as soon as you look at any romance where one or the other partner can't have babies. People can and do still fall in love with paralyzed, impotent, or barren individuals, and go through their entire life loving that person and knowing full well they will never be able to pass on their genes.


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I was gunna post here but then it got too stupid to wade into :P


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I agree with Treespeaker. Love, in it's simplest for, may only be a chemical reaction, but I believe that as human beings with a larger capacity for coherant thought, we've taken it beyond the level it may have been at in our early stages of evolution. Like how we have a need for emotional attachment and the like to keep our psyche healthy. Love may be only a reaction based in chemicals from our body, but in order for us to keep a healthy state of mind, we've taken it to a higher level of meaning, beyond it's base value.

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My personal opinion: the purpose of life is a very vague and general question. When people ask you the meaning of life, I believe that its a personal opinion. There is no true purpose to life that everyone accepts because people live for different reasons.

"Why were we put on this Earth?" "Who or what is God?" "Is there a God?"...all of these questions are not ment to establish an ironclad purpose for human beings. Some people say "I live for happiness and because I want to achieve what there is in life" or maybe "Life is about learning" etc etc. When you live, you live for what you want.

Humans do not live out of survival. Survival is necessary for life but it does not give meaning to life itself. There are wants and needs; people need to live through primary elements that nurture and keep the body healthy, procreate for future offspring, and secure our human race to remain living after we pass away. Our wants, however, should not be influenced by what needs to be done to keep the human race alive. You may want to become a certified doctor or have 2 kids with a white picket fence around a house on a grassy hill, but those are secondary to what must be accomplished to remain alive.

There's a huge difference between having to live and wanting to live. Procreation, survival, and insuring the well-being of our future peoples is a need while our own goals and dreams are want that we leave secondary to the necessities. A person's purpose in life is unique and each individual has a different image of what their purpose on Earth and/or in life is.


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On the first day God created the dog. God said, "Sit all day by the door of your house and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past. I will give you a life span of twenty years."
The dog said, "That's too long to be barking. Give me ten years and I'll give you back the other ten." So God agreed.
On the second day God created the monkey. God said, "Entertain people, do monkey tricks, make them laugh. I'll give you a twenty-year life span."
The monkey said, "How boring, monkey tricks for twenty years? I don't think so. Dog gave you back ten, so that's what I'll do too, okay?" And God agreed.
On the third day God created the cow. God said, "You must go to the field with the farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves and give milk to support the farmer. I will give you a life span of sixty years."
The cow said, "That's kind of a tough life you want me to live for sixty years. Let me have twenty and I'll give back the other forty." And God agreed again
On the fourth day God created man. God said, "Eat, sleep, play, marry and enjoy your life. I'll give you twenty years."
Man said, "What? Only twenty years! Tell you what, I'll take my twenty, and the forty the cow gave back and the ten the monkey gave back and the ten the dog gave back, that makes eighty, okay?" "Okay," said God, "You've got a deal.”
So that is why the first twenty years we eat, sleep, play, and enjoy ourselves; for the next forty years we slave in the sun to support our family; for the next ten years we do monkey tricks to entertain the grandchildren; and for the last ten years we sit on the front porch and bark at everyone.
Life has now been explained.
So go out there and live it so when you slide into that grave, used up and well-worn, you can shout out: "WHAT A RIDE!"


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That is the greatest explaination of life ever.

I even broke out the bold for it, and I don't do that often.

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