I'm glad there isn't an afterlife, because you'd be making one soul very fucking sad, right now, for exploiting him dying to rail against the cause he was so very much for.
What has the Iraqi war and occupation accomplished? Well...a lot. Go out there and look, if you actually wish to know. But you do not - if you're so intellectually and morally lazy as to resort to this retarded use of heart-jerking bullshit, then I doubt seriously you'd want to know anything close to the truth - you just wanna be
right, and it doesn't matter that you're taking a guy out of the grave, fucking him in the eye and saying FUCK YOU AND YOUR IDEALS, I'LL USE YOUR DEATH FOR WHAT I PLEASE.
BDM wrote:
I fail to see how this is "exploitation." Nick Berg is dead. Killed for now MILLIONS of people to see. It can't be changed...there may have been ways, Nick apparently was offered a flight out just a few days before his capture. He traveled un-armed.
A pistol or rifle won't stop a group of armed thugs from killing you are taking you away. In addition, not only was Berg a civilian, but he was there to help rebuild the Iraqi phoneline infrastructure - you know, make life better for the people there, something you wish we would never, ever do.
BDM wrote:
So maybe he wasn't the smartest, and he WAS there on his own will. But you CAN'T say he would have been there, been captured, and been killed if Bush handn't decide to go fuck up Hussein in the first place.
Yeah, this is a great line. Nick Berg's death is horrible and should have been prevented. The Iraqis killed under Saddam? Ragheads, let 'em die.
I guess BDM is just racist. Americans are far superior volk, and thus 1 American dead isn't worth saving a few million dirty towlwrappers, right?
BDM wrote:
I mean goddamnit, where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Why are we over there?
Well, lets play a game. The game is
Who Thought Saddam had WMDs Before the War?-Everyone
There you have it folks. I guess that means it was a giant, worldwide conspiracy to lie to the American people.
As to 'why we're there' I would imagine the whole terorists killing American civilians thing has something to do with it, I mean if the terrorists are over there the army can kill them, if they're over here the FBI can arrest them, but all-in-all I like them being "over there."
Secondly, the theory behind Iraq appears to be that democracy will have a 'domino' effect and spread through the middle east, thus doing all the work of invading and such for us, wiping out the idiotic ideology that gives rise to terrorists, and destroying the state institutions which fund them.
But I guess thats a little beyond you, no WMDs = no war, because there's no other possible reason to attack, right?
BDM wrote:
I know "a plan is in place," but is that really working? I mean, fuck, we "hand over control" to probably some puppet goverment in about 45 days. But the number of troops needed is INCREASING? And lets face it, we've kicked the Batth party out, only to have the OTHER extreme Islamic Shiites come in (...I think that's the oppressed group anyway). The fact is the whole area is behind. And we should let them run their course instead of saying, "ooh! Democracy! Shiny Shiny!"
So, the plan isn't working, therefore we should hand power over to the various thug/brigands/bandits/religious militias that are going around over there?
Woah, BDM, that seems like a great plan.
BDM wrote:
In fact, what missions HAS this war accomplished?
A)Removal and subsequent capture of Saddam and many under him.
B)Figuring out there arn't WMDs.
C)Pissing off SEVERAL nations.
Yeah, only those three things, its not like teh Iraqis are better off now or anything, they all actually want Saddam back etc.
BDM wrote:
...well fuck, now I all tangented...and now it DOES look like exploitation...
Thats because it is.
BDM wrote:
Look, all I can say is Nick Berg is dead, we can't change it. And I'll be damned if we let a warmonger like Bush stay in office, so that more people like Nick don't die, and families like the Burg's don't have to suffer with their children's slaughter being broadcast to the world
Yeah, stupid warmongers, with all that talk of democracy in the middle east, its crazy talk. We need to make sure no Americans die ever again, so therefor we should just leave the middle east alone, I mean that worked the first time around didn't it?
The hypocrisy of saying Nick Berg shouldn't have died for the war, whereas minus it thousands of Iraqis would have died by the hand of Saddam, doesn't really need to be pointed out, does it?
See, BDM is the classic modern man, with his series of fluid, rigidly undefined belief system that works in a (totally assumed) way, he considers himself educated, intelligent, and above all right, feed you a couple half-truths and lies over the course of a month or two and I could get you to believe anything, it happens all the time, even by accident, you get things out of context and don't bother to follow up on things, then you have yourself a bunch of mindless clones blathering on about incoherent, inaccurate BS about current events, without regaurd to internal consistancy of any sort.
But everyone gets what they deserve in the end...I wonder what you'll be getting, then? The fruits of your labor, perhaps.
-MiB