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In interviews with a number of White House staffers who were willing to talk off the record...


Does that statement bother anyone else?

if it was off the record how could they even mention it in the article?

I don't like Bush... but I think that article is crack

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Spei, I want you to delete your post. Right now. Go ahead, see if you can.

Edit: Well, shit, you didn't. I guess I'm not the only without the magical power to delete a post after it has been replied to.

Also, shit fuck, FG, Mibbers...what hypocritical retards you act like; you never cease to deteriorate.


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Also, shit fuck, FG, Mibbers...what hypocritical retards you act like; you never cease to deteriorate.

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Abunai! wrote:
Also, shit fuck, FG, Mibbers...what hypocritical retards you act like; you never cease to deteriorate.


Abunai! wrote:
Also, shit fuck, FG, Mibbers...what hypocritical retards you act like; you never cease to deteriorate.


Abunai! wrote:
Also, shit fuck, FG, Mibbers...what hypocritical retards you act like; you never cease to deteriorate.


Abunai! wrote:
Also, shit fuck, FG, Mibbers...what hypocritical retards you act like; you never cease to deteriorate.

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I have nothing of value to say, so please mock me MiB and Grey


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Here we have Abunai!, claiming that MiB is acting immature and hypocritical. How, exactly, does MiB defend his honor and good name?

A quote edit.

Brilliant.


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Betcha he'll respond to that by saying any criticism of his own person is not worth responding to. "I save my good insults for my friends, nyaa!"

At some point, I coulda sworn that there was some debate as to whether the dabate club had rules, what the hell happened to that thread?

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There are rules. Just read the stickied thread.

Now, they rarely get followed, which is sad but true. I can say the main reason is lack of enforcement. I've been begged by someone to make them a mod of debate club to enforce the rules, but I didn't as I really didn't feel it was necessary and that the person would be 100% impartial. If it is felt that a mod is actually needed, lets discuss this and find out where we go. I'll choose a mod if we need, otherwise, it will most likely stay just as it is.


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Or maybe you both missed the implied point, namely that there was nothing to reply to, so why not just insult?

I have to explain everything to you I guess, even the subtility of insulting people who say nothing etc. Now if ya'all would stop being retarded and say something instead of bitching, that'd be great.

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I thought we already went over how ignorant and stupid you are BDM, maybe I should point you back to the old thread so you can do us all a favor and stop posting until you get a clue?

a) The US is still there = Saddam Hussein zomg oppression?
b) The Iraqi people are somewhat unlikely to vote in a mass-murdering dictator, fucking crazy idea I know but all ragheads arn't screaming allahu akbar and think that Mullah rule is horrible (only 15% of Iraqis polled by Reuters, I believe, though a theocracy was even a viable choice for a government.)
c) The Iraqi government is already being set up to prevent that, Kurds, Sunnis, Shia etc all agree that Saddam was the bad guy and you shouldn't really hold a grudge to an entire ethnic group, the outlook appears good for a stable (once the terrorists stop thinking they might win) and fair government appearing.

But hey, that required me to do more than look at antiwar.com, or bushitler.com, I guess thats too much to ask of you, getting actual information, knowledge, etc before opening up your mouth, instead of asking you to do this (obviously superhuman) feat, I think you can do us all a favor by just keeping quiet.

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Your lack of healthy cynicism is somewhat surprising. Democracy may be the best, but doesn't mean that its easy or even that's its that good. You can hardly spit in a 20th century history book without hitting some dictator raising out of a (usually immature) democracy. Hitler. Slobodan Milosevic was simply elected by 80%. Nigeria goes through cycles of democracy and military rule. And the PM of Iraq that we put in was a CIA operative... didn't we already try that in Panama? Its a little suspect that we didn't want the interim leader of Iraq to be some bureaucrat found by the UN.

I not saying that Iraq is going to open up some gulags tomorrow. But it's too early to be declaring a democratic victory. We can be the judge of that in a decade or so.


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Thread necromancy


This thread is OLD. So old, in fact, that the guy you're arguing with no longer visits these forums.

Just so you know.


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Just putting in my two cents on this already dead and gone thread.

It has gotten to the point where I simply cannot logically think about Bush because he's pissed me off so much at every turn. (I'd write a list of greavences but I'm sure noone wants to read it. And I don't feel like typing one.)

And I honestly think that the Republicans would stand a better chance of winning if they just said, "Fuck it!" and ran McCain instead.

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Now that's an interesting thought: Would John McCain be a viable candidate for the White House? I haven't seen much, but judging from the interviews I have seen and his reaction to the "John Kerry is a coward and doesn't deserse his medals" ads, my impression of him is rather positive.

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I kinda doubt McCain would run unless the Republican party offered him Ted Sampley's head on a platter.


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as Liberal as I am...McCain would probably have my vote, against Gore, Bush, Kerry...almost whoever. He's at least a man who has morals and tact

...then again, who knows if he wouldn't have developed a plan I absolutely despise

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If I correctly recall who McCain is, I <3 him.

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The problem is that if McCain ran as a third party canditate, Bush would win. A good portion of the democrats would vote for McCain instead of thier canditate. The Republicans would never run McCain as their canditate because most real republicans won't vote for him (thus why we got Bush as a canditate)

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Lucis Spei wrote:
Now that's an interesting thought: Would John McCain be a viable candidate for the White House? I haven't seen much, but judging from the interviews I have seen and his reaction to the "John Kerry is a coward and doesn't deserse his medals" ads, my impression of him is rather positive.


Part of the reason McCain spoke out against them is that these were the <b>exact</b> same guys that said he was practically a traitor to the US while a POW during the R. Primaries back in 2000. These people are buddies of the pres or his constituants, and thats why the White House hasn't spoken out against such blatent bullshit. Not a single one of those men were on Kerry's boat. Also, it doesn't seem very logical that a doctor would remember such a minor injury with all the atrocities he must have seen in the field. Now, how come more people don't ask whay Dubya did when he was drafted?


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Sear wrote:
Now he has to stick with his decision and see it through to the end. To take any other course of action at this point will render his prior decisions invalid.


Nobody's a hero because of this. All the politicians who voted to go to war with Iraq state publically that they felt justified. They all accept that we have made a commitment, and that we have no choice but to follow through. However, going to war with no allied help and with inadequetely armed forces is harshly criticised.

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I don’t understand why so many people seem to think that we have been in Iraq all that long. It has only been about a year. Even if we are still in Iraq June 30th, reconstruction takes
time, period.


In truth, this is America's shortest war. With only around 300 casualties, it was the least deadly as well. However, this was a pre-emtive strike - also a record breaker, and one that was previously considered barbaric at that. If it's a battle of moral to justify invading and staying in Iraq, there are two sides to consider (I'm not even going to start on forcing culture and government on another country). And of course, the family of the "back door"-drafted soldiers would probably be making their voice known as well. All's not exactly fair in life, and people will always make a big fuss out of it.

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The problem is that if McCain ran as a third party canditate, Bush would win. A good portion of the democrats would vote for McCain instead of thier canditate. The Republicans would never run McCain as their canditate because most real republicans won't vote for him (thus why we got Bush as a canditate)


A good portion of democrats are already voting for other candidates than their own - Kerry vs. Nadar for example (plue the 50 bajillion other lesser know candidates I've seen here and there). Ever wonder why Bush seems to be ahead in the poles? -_-;;

And there's a difference between "real" Republicans and real Republicans. Mainly, they aren't blindly alledged to one leader if they think he's making poor decisions or someone could do better. Unfortunately, real Republicans seem to be a rarity these days. >.> Or at least, a quieter bunch.

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Now, how come more people don't ask whay Dubya did when he was drafted?


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