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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:36 pm 
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Iraq Now wrote:
"Short-term history will be written by people who didn't particularly want me to be president to begin with."

Link to an interesting account of interview with Christian journalists, published in the Christian publication World Magazine. There are several good quotes there.

On [presumeably gay] marriages: "I don't want this decided by judges. It's too big an issue."

When asked about how he expresses his Christian faith, he said, "I have a fantastic opportunity to let the light shine." He immediately followed that with a caveat: "I will do so, however, as a secular politician.... My job is not to promote a religion but to promote the ability of people to worship as they see fit..."


"I'm sometimes in a world of fakery, obfuscation [yes, he knows and can use big words], political bank shots, so I'm very mindful of the use of faith in this process." He says he's not concerned about how journalists judge him: "Short-term history will be written by people who didn't particularly want me to be president to begin with." He expresses a deeper concern: You "can't use your faith as a shallow attempt to garner votes. Otherwise you'll receive the ultimate condemnation."



If you're not hell-bent on making Dubya appear inarticulate, he comes across as incredibly articulate, focused, and possessed of a laser beam economy of words.

Of course, "putting food on the family" is a gem, by any standard. But it's not the whole story. It's not 'the story.' And if we allow it to become 'the story' then we're allowing ourselves to be led astray by media people with motivations other than providing the reader an accurate and balanced portrayal of the truth.

The president George W. Bush reminds me of most is Ulysses S. Grant.

Grant was an alcoholic. He was considered by many to be stupid, uncouth, and inarticulate.

But he was one of the best horsemen in the Army as a young man.

And he could think outside the box, and demonstrated this in a brilliant campaign at Vicksburg.

When in charge, he took charge, saved the Union Army at Chattanooga.

He figured out how to beat Lee.

And though he was occassionally outmaneuvered by Lee, HE WOULD NOT BE STOPPED. Despite casualty rates that soared far over 100% in many regiments during the Overland campaign, he would not be stopped.

Longstreet crushed his flank at The Wilderness, and his whole army knew that Lee had whipped them. Again. His troops expected Grant to withdraw north again, as Hooker had done at Chancellorsville. As Burnside had done at Fredericksburg. As McClellan had done after Antietam. As McClellan had done after First Mannassas.

And when the order came--continue the march south. Carry the fight to the enemy. Seize the offensive. Seize the initative. Do not let up.--the men in the ranks cheered.

And then this inarticulate drunkard who saved millions from slavery goes on to befriend the greatest literary talent in American History, and produce one of the finest political memoirs ever written--in tight, efficient prose, solid as a cannonball.

His greatest failure: probably political naivete. He was blindsided by some corrupt officials and whacked over the head by Teapot Dome.

Dubya has screwed up many times. He will screw up again before the election. If reelected, he will screw up with metamucilian regularity until he leaves office.

All administrations do.

He has also liberated more people from slavery than Grant and Lincoln dreamed of. He's freed more people from slavery than any other president since Roosevelt (Depending on how much credit you want to give Reagan for winning the Cold War, but I think that was a team effort of many administrations).

As Obi Won Kenobi would say:

"The Force is strong with this one."

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 1:07 pm 
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As a whole, it's not a bad comparasion. And I do admit, that Dubya certainly has his share of corrupt politicians helping drive him (I suppose this is where I bring up the buzzname Karl Rove...who is often portrayed as the puppeteer behind Bush. And of course Cheney...because EVERYONE thinks Uncle Cheney has a hand in everything). Of course, the easiest way to get a good majority of those corrupt offacials is to simply change the administration as a whole with Kerry (well...Nader would be nice, but I'm not THAT much of an idealist...)

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He has also liberated more people from slavery than Grant and Lincoln dreamed of. He's freed more people from slavery than any other president since Roosevelt.


This part irks me...because while he certainly helped remove an oppressive regime, he also is STLL there...and will be long after June 30th. It's hard to change that now, a shift in power...especially when it's not YOUR OWN country, is always difficult. And when this new power comes in, what's to say that this new power won't be as oppressive to the portion of Iraq that was oppressive to THEM? If the US watch them THAT closely, will ALL of Iraq become resentful toward us again, accomplishing NOTHING?

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"Despite casualty rates that soared far over 100% in many regiments during the Overland campaign, he would not be stopped."

so he was a necromancer then? hardcore...

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I thought we already went over how ignorant and stupid you are BDM, maybe I should point you back to the old thread so you can do us all a favor and stop posting until you get a clue?

a) The US is still there = Saddam Hussein zomg oppression?
b) The Iraqi people are somewhat unlikely to vote in a mass-murdering dictator, fucking crazy idea I know but all ragheads arn't screamign allahu akbar and think that Mullah rule is horrible (only 15% of Iraqis polled by Reuters, I believe, though a theocracy was even a viable choice for a government.)
c) The Iraqi government is already being set up to prevent that, Kurds, Sunnis, Shia etc all agree that Saddam was the bad guy and you shouldn't really hold a grudge to an entire ethnic group, the outlook appears good for a stable (once the terrorists stop thinking they might win) and fair government appearing.

But hey, that required me to do more than look at antiwar.com, or bushitler.com, I guess thats too much to ask of you, getting actual information, knowledge, etc before opening up your mouth, instead of asking you to do this (obviously superhuman) feat, I think you can do us all a favor by just keeping quiet.

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Don't forget the overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan, just because it's in the news less that Iraq doesn't mean it didn't happen...

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Mibbers, I respect you a lot, but for once, could you defeat someone in an argument WITHOUT attempting to also destroy their image, credibility and self-worth?

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Mibbers, I respect you a lot, but for once, could you defeat someone in an argument WITHOUT attempting to also destroy their image, credibility and self-worth?


No.

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President George W. Bush’s increasingly erratic behavior and wide mood swings has the halls of the West Wing buzzing lately as aides privately express growing concern over their leader’s state of mind.

In meetings with top aides and administration officials, the President goes from quoting the Bible in one breath to obscene tantrums against the media, Democrats and others that he classifies as “enemies of the state.”

Worried White House aides paint a portrait of a man on the edge, increasingly wary of those who disagree with him and paranoid of a public that no longer trusts his policies in Iraq or at home.

“It reminds me of the Nixon days,” says a longtime GOP political consultant with contacts in the White House. “Everybody is an enemy; everybody is out to get him. That’s the mood over there.”

In interviews with a number of White House staffers who were willing to talk off the record, a picture of an administration under siege has emerged, led by a man who declares his decisions to be “God’s will” and then tells aides to “fuck over” anyone they consider to be an opponent of the administration.

“We’re at war, there’s no doubt about it. What I don’t know anymore is just who the enemy might be,” says one troubled White House aide. “We seem to spend more time trying to destroy John Kerry than al Qaeda and our enemies list just keeps growing and growing.”

Aides say the President gets “hung up on minor details,” micromanaging to the extreme while ignoring the bigger picture. He will spend hours personally reviewing and approving every attack ad against his Democratic opponent and then kiss off a meeting on economic issues.

“This is what is killing us on Iraq,” one aide says. “We lost focus. The President got hung up on the weapons of mass destruction and an unproven link to al Qaeda. We could have found other justifiable reasons for the war but the President insisted the focus stay on those two, tenuous items.”

Aides who raise questions quickly find themselves shut out of access to the President or other top advisors. Among top officials, Bush’s inner circle is shrinking. Secretary of State Colin Powell has fallen out of favor because of his growing doubts about the administration’s war against Iraq.

The President's abrupt dismissal of CIA Directory George Tenet Wednesday night is, aides say, an example of how he works.

"Tenet wanted to quit last year but the President got his back up and wouldn't hear of it," says an aide. "That would have been the opportune time to make a change, not in the middle of an election campaign but when the director challenged the President during the meeting Wednesday, the President cut him off by saying 'that's it George. I cannot abide disloyalty. I want your resignation and I want it now."

Tenet was allowed to resign "voluntarily" and Bush informed his shocked staff of the decision Thursday morning. One aide says the President actually described the decision as "God's will."

God may also be the reason Attorney General John Ashcroft, the administration’s lightning rod because of his questionable actions that critics argue threatens freedoms granted by the Constitution, remains part of the power elite. West Wing staffers call Bush and Ashcroft “the Blues Brothers” because “they’re on a mission from God.”

“The Attorney General is tight with the President because of religion,” says one aide. “They both believe any action is justifiable in the name of God.”

But the President who says he rules at the behest of God can also tongue-lash those he perceives as disloyal, calling them “fucking assholes” in front of other staff, berating one cabinet official in front of others and labeling anyone who disagrees with him “unpatriotic” or “anti-American.”

“The mood here is that we’re under siege, there’s no doubt about it,” says one troubled aide who admits he is looking for work elsewhere. “In this administration, you don’t have to wear a turban or speak Farsi to be an enemy of the United States. All you have to do is disagree with the President.”

The White House did not respond to requests for comment on the record.


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Anonomous sources are worth jack shit. Any honest reporter always gets a nonanonomous source or checks it out him/herself to back it up.

In other words: its all made up, wilber.

-edit- In actuality, I talked with a white house aid (I won't tell you his/her real name, tho.) George Bush has laser eyes and flying powers, and in reality most airstrikes In Iraq 2 were him using said powers.

See now, its true, an anonomous source who's obviously a white house aid said so.

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I'm unable to find any refrence of the article that doesn't link back to capitol hill blue, nor any big name source that has it (IE: Reuters, CSmonitor, AP, etc).

Furthermore, if this was true, it would be front page news without a dobut.

(Well, I'm not saying it's not true, just that it's made up.)

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I support Bush. He had a hard call to make and he made it. Now he has to stick with his decision and see it through to the end. To take any other course of action at this point will render his prior decisions invalid.

In other words, Maybe going into Iraq was right, maybe it was wrong, but if he pulls out now with reconstruction unfinished then going into Iraq was definitely wrong, not just maybe wrong...

Also, how can anyone possible expect such a major social/political shift to happen so quickly. I don’t understand why so many people seem to think that we have been in Iraq all that long. It has only been about a year. Even if we are still in Iraq June 30th, reconstruction takes
time, period. People the world over require time to adapt to a new way of thinking... Give the people of Iraq the time they need to find a new way of life before condemning the President for being heavy handed.

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I felt like sharing

Interesting...

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Woah, BDM putting a joke of a political comment (hey, it was funny) up.

Thats new.

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Gogo BDM05, Powers of political retard unite, assume form of gibbering idiot. POWERING UP.


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Do people like.. think Bush is a good president ^.-

Uhm..

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I think Bush is doing a fine job as President.

Of course, I've been living in Australia for the past three years, but still.


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Hmm, thread necromancy, okay, I guess I'll jump in.

Sear wrote:
In other words, Maybe going into Iraq was right, maybe it was wrong, but if he pulls out now with reconstruction unfinished then going into Iraq was definitely wrong, not just maybe wrong...


Alright, so instead of being either corrupt or moronic and gutless, he's just either corrupt or moronic. Great, next president please.


I swear, these forums will drive me mad someday, I know you can delete your posts most places.... hate...

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Spei, I want you to delete your post. Right now. Go ahead, see if you can.

Edit: Well, shit, you didn't. I guess I'm not the only without the magical power to delete a post after it has been replied to.

Also, shit fuck, FG, Mibbers...what hypocritical retards you act like; you never cease to deteriorate.


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 Post subject: Re: George Bush
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Iraq Now wrote:
His greatest failure: probably political naivete. He was blindsided by some corrupt officials and whacked over the head by Teapot Dome.


Discuss etc.

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Teapot dome was during the Harding Administration, buddy.

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