Abunai wrote:
And this means that racism (as in, a preconceived notion that because such and such a defendant is of a certain race, he is more likely deserving of the death penalty) isn't in the death penalty, how?
Here's the deal: we've established taht people tend to be prejudice against others not of their race. So why is it just blacks? I have heard this data touted over and over again, but not asians, hispanics, etc.
Wots the deal? If racism (xenophobia, of a kind) is something of a universal among most people, then why no studies or the kind of complaints of the same kind? If such a thing would happen to the black community, why not the asian community?
Either a, everyone isn't really so racist as you would claim, or b, there is ome other correlation (such as money) that nobody is factoring in here. A last possibility is c, that this kind of thing happens but there is nobody bothering about it, but why?
Abunai wrote:
Maybe...just maybe, I actually am interested in seeing the damn studies before I try to argue against them. I know it's a totally radical idea, but I'm actually interested having arguments that take into account reality. As in, I'm less interested in saying "You're fucking wrong [or right, apparently], and thus a moron," than I am at having an effective, hopefully true, argument.
So why did you open your mouth further? To whit -
Abunai wrote:
Or just a general prejudice that usually isn't seen (and wouldn't be believed of our friends or ourselves...after all, racism can only be of the huge, life-consuming amount that the KKK espouses!), as social interaction is still often seperated, and it could very minor and easily overcome by repeated friendships or other forms of social interaction. This does not have to just be from whiteys, either. Judging from the ease of the connection (not whether you believe it true or not) between blacks and being stupid (the poor is undeniably true, but the stupid is another debate), wetback-americans also seem to possess some bias or prejudice when it comes to what they believe of blacks.
Interestingly enough, I've seen studies noting that, for instance, stereotypically black names (e.g. Tyrone) are more easily connected to crimes than whitey names (e.g. people recalled instances of black names connected with crimes easier than white names). Feel free to ignore this, as I simply read a while ago and am too lazy to find the source, again.
A large chunk of non-argument. A response to a snide comment in seriousness, and then a supposed statistic that you have no authority to back up and you refuse to produce.
Take your own advice.
Abunai wrote:
LOLZ INCORRECT GRAMMAR
Woah, thanks, I didn't notice that. I must've rushed everything there. I'll go correct that now. Oh:
Abunai wrote:
And this means that racism (as in, a preconceived notion that because such and such a defendant is of a certain race, he is more likely deserving of the death penalty) is in the death penalty, how?
Changed a little, so it fits better. 3 characters isn't too much to change, right?
Abunai wrote:
In plain simple words: I think most people are racist, to some degree. This helps black people get further in the process, regardless of whether it's one or a million that are involved in the process and racist. When combined with the peer pressure involved in a jury, it's especially possible for a minorly racist majority to contribute to a death sentence despite those not racist, "especially with possible minorities" like Mexicans, who, as we all know, are huge racists.
Remember, I'm not saying racism to some degree is bad (that's another debate), I'm just saying it's present.
And your proof is...
Here's how it weighs down:
Clay has a study that I think his credibility supports on memory just fine. Nobody has bothered to refute it; given that, and the (credible) other explainations, along with the inconsistancies (if everyone is racist, why just blacks? Why not hispanics and asians and even non-american whites, like the irish?), I think there needs more than "I think x" does not quite support your point enough.
H-kat's study is, for the time, irrelevant: the current ones (unless you would like to say Clay is not a credible source; how you would argue that a pretty nice guy with no clear bias and a BA in Sociology is not a credible source is not quite clear, however) put up are.
-MiB