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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/07/2 ... index.html

Discuss.

-Kitty

There's not much to say other than the fact that that is the most obviously biased article on the topic of cannabis I have seen in a long time; outright lies mixed with misinformation and misrepresentation of the facts. I don't see the point in picking it apart because it's so blatantly BS.

ptlis

...that's something of a MiB-stance on it...isn't it?

I'll take a look at it when I get home
*Runs away from work*
I hateyou....

It could be seen as such but I more see it as a stance whereby I believe that the casual reader can tell that this is the case and me picking it apart would be condescending/patronising towards their intelligence; however if there is a call for it I might do so anyway. Right now i'm too tired to care either way tbh.

ptlis

PTLIS is correct; both posts.

Question, however: even assuming there is some omg eval drug "epidemic", why is this bad?

-MiB

Hey, pots getting more potent. Good news for us. Now I just need to start smoking again.

Because winners don't do drugs.

I mean, geeze, didn't you listen to Mr. T?

They FAIL! The one thing police cannot stop is mass disobedience. the more people ignore a law, the less they can do to stop them. Much as the stupid bastards would love to arrest everyone, they can't.

Ironic, clay, considering you kinda want to be one of those "stupid bastards." Border Patrol isn't just about wetbacks*, it's drug smuggling, too!



*I'm not actually racist, it's just that I never actually get to use the term 'wetback' properly

/me sighs...

Where are the nay-sayers?
This is a debate club, after all. We can't all be pro (Or con, depending how you look at it...). THen, we don't learn anything.

-Kitty

Hey, I'm against legalized Marijuana, or, at least, unlimited use of legalized Marijuana. I don't think you should be allowed to smoke it in public, except in specialized smoking areas with separate ventilation with very good filters.

Why?

You can't get drunk sitting next to someone who's drinking, but you can get high sitting next to someone who's smoking reefer. (at least, to a much greater extent than any currently legalized narcotic or intoxicant)

That...

is a....


....oh, sorry, distracted by your avatar...

*ahem* But while being next to someone smoking makes it POSSIBLE to get high, they'd have to be smoking a large amount before you began to feel much.

However, this is also why smoking clubs in Amsterdam and such places are so popular.

By stupid bastards I refer to legislators, making a living off stupidity is the same as what most salesmen do. Including those in the building you work in. Give me 50k to support a lost cause? Sign me up!

BTW, Border patrol are4n't cops, for th most part if you are smoking a joint and not trying to move it out of the country, it's not their business.

Marijuana alters your perception of reality. Anything that makes my mind duller, such as drugs or alcohol, I will never partake of.

Marijuana causes cancer, lung disease, heart disease, and other various sources of poor health, just like tobacco. Anything that is guaranteed to make my health decline and has a good chance of killing me, I avoid.

Since people know the downsides of marijuana and smoke it anyway, they're stupid. Stupid people have little to offer society except as manual labor. Therefore, ship off all the druggies and put them to work manufacturing bombs we can drop on third-rate nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, or France. It'll be great. If they refuse to work, we simply cut off their supply until they beg for more. When they finally puke their guts out and die, simply replace them with more addicts. Or if they actually do sober up, make them become useful members of society that contribute something worthwhile, like, I dunno, emptying my garbage cans every Tuesday and Friday.

I am aware, however, that marijuana supposedly has valid medical uses, though I'm quite certain that there are other, less harmful, remedies available. Therefore it should be legal to smoke the shit with a prescription filled out by a licensed physician. Otherwise, you're working 18 hours a day so we can blow something up.

It's not duller....it's COOLER maaaannnnn


Good luck trying not to breath in a city then.


This is funny. Shows again many of the imperceptions and falses they call "truth" that people have.

Marijuana is NOT physically addictive. I have gone from smoking hardcore for at least month to absolutely NOTHING for months after, and I have noticed NO ill effects. It's all about the mental with weed. There are times when I think "man...it would be really fun to get stoned...and there's not much else to do..."

The problem IS when it consumes your life, but with pot it is ALL a matter of will.


Not really...

Pot is generally prescribed for cancer patients who are going through chemo or radiation thereapy. What it is doing is counteracting the side effects caused by these major therapies. Kills pain, stirs appatite...plus it helps people feel better about dying...

In actuallity, that is a misconception about pot. It doesn't have the same effects on the lungs as tobacco. Nicotine contracts the bronchi, making it harder to breathe, while THC expands them, actually allowing one to take a deeper breath. Most carcinogins inside any form of smoked substance come from the smoke, a great deal of pot smokers use smoke reduction devices, such as water bongs. That removes almost everything besides the THC, and provides a much safer smoke. Also, consuming pot, as in brownies, doesn't have the same ill effects of dipping tobacco. Tobacco is a very carcinginic substace, and pot isn't near as bad. The heart disease is caused by nicotine as well, which is not a chemical inside marijuana.

I can understand and appreciate it. I share the sentiments, to some degree.


I dunno; I find driving to be quite worth the risk, myself.


Totally. Don't forget to add people who drink regularly, or do extreme sports like base jumping, into your list of low-caste scum.


See BDM's bit. In cases like those, long-term effects aren't quite as important.


It is, minorly. Many people experience minor, flu-like withdrawal symptoms after a bit more than a month or so.

That potency is increasing to 7% (funny, I heard well over double that last time I took health class) or so isn't much of a worry to me, because most of the side-effects I can remember have to do with the smoking itself (e.g. the scorching of throat cilia), and not with the THC, though I could be wrong.

Kids forming long-lasting habits before they can fully understand what they're doing...well, that's shitty.

OH! OH! And those losers who let their health decay while they're too busy wasting away on internet forums!

...waaaaiiiit.......

This is true but I feel the need to point out that it is a very temporery effect (not much longer than 4hours depending on a number of variables such as motabolism, the strength of the cannabis you ate/smoked and whether or not you topped the level up.


Once again this is true <b>when smoked</b>, and even then there are devices such as bongs and vapourisors which minimise the damage done to your lungs rather effectively (vapourisors considerably more than bongs).


That is your opinion and perhaps you are justified in it (if you are as clean as you say you are); but then if you eat red meat, alot of spicey food or do any dangerous activities such as driving a car or crossing a busy road then you are stupid. Rhese are dangerous and/or have negative long-term problems associated with them so by your logic anybody who knows of these dangers is stupid.


I will take your meaning of stupid as people who have lower than average intelligence and will agree with you to some extent, but consider this: without such manual labour society as you know it could not exist.


Heh, right. As long as a person is compotent at doing the job they are employed to do then what they do in their own time is irrelevent, as long as it does not interfere with what they have to do.


While this might be true when it comes to crack cocaine and heroin I don't thing any of the other hard drugs have come downs even remotely that bad.


I don't think there are any drugs where the withdrawl is this bad, but if there are please inform me of them.


You seem to think that people who use drugs (whether soft or hard) do so 24/7... They don't, not even crack/smack addicts are that bad (I think they usually go for 1-2 fixes a day - not too sure on this one).


There is no supposed. The theraputic effect has been shown to calm the shuddering seen in patients suffering parkinsons, it has been shown to help people suffering from aids/on chemo therapy eat more food and keep it down. There are many theraputic effects of the medical use of cannabis (and remember that morphine is used in medicine, and is also an illegal drug which is very addictive).


Alot of patients who would need cannabis would not smoke it, there are many, many ways to prepare it with food and drink which have no negative side effects (the damage done by cannabis is done because most people smoke it; if a person chooses to eat it then this factor is irrelevent.


Sorry but I have to call bullshit; it is not physically addictive at all.



This may or may not be the case but so what if the potency is increased. All it means is that for the people who smoke it they have to smoke less to get an equivalent high; this can only have positive effects meaning that less carcenogens, soot etc are inhaled into the lungs thusly less damage will be done over the long term.

ptlis

" don't think there are any drugs where the withdrawl is this bad, but if there are please inform me of them."

There are several, most of which aren't as popular because of the serious withdrawal symptoms. And I was referring more to the effects of the drugs themselves than the effects of withdrawing them.

"This is true but I feel the need to point out that it is a very temporery effect (not much longer than 4hours depending on a number of variables such as motabolism, the strength of the cannabis you ate/smoked and whether or not you topped the level up. "

I'm not talking about the high, which I am quite aware of how it is only temporary. I have a friend who used to smoke pot and do some harder stuff. I'm talking long-term. Alcohol and drugs kill brain cells. They make you stupid. You ever notice how long-time pot smokers take a few seconds to become aware of the obvious?

"Once again this is true when smoked, and even then there are devices such as bongs and vapourisors which minimise the damage done to your lungs rather effectively (vapourisors considerably more than bongs). "

Less harmful doesn't mean non-harmful. Unless it's a necessary part of daily life, such as driving, I like to avoid anything that's going to decrease my lifespan significantly.

"I will take your meaning of stupid as people who have lower than average intelligence and will agree with you to some extent, but consider this: without such manual labour society as you know it could not exist. "

Whiiiiiiiich is why we're putting them to work as manual labor. Remember what I said about it taking potheads a few seconds to become aware of the obvious?

"Heh, right. As long as a person is compotent at doing the job they are employed to do then what they do in their own time is irrelevent, as long as it does not interfere with what they have to do. "

A persons personal life affects the lives of those around them. Children who know an authority figure/role model who smokes pot are more likely to smoke it. And guess what the odds are that they'll do so "responsibly"? Yeah, about the same as Linux buying out Microsoft. Simply being a competent worked isn't an excuse. I could write an entire post in reply to this statement, but I'm lazy.

"You seem to think that people who use drugs (whether soft or hard) do so 24/7... They don't, not even crack/smack addicts are that bad (I think they usually go for 1-2 fixes a day - not too sure on this one). "

Doesn't matter if they're doped up 24/7 or just an hour or two each day. They're screwed up. Period.

"There is no supposed. The theraputic effect has been shown to calm the shuddering seen in patients suffering parkinsons, it has been shown to help people suffering from aids/on chemo therapy eat more food and keep it down. There are many theraputic effects of the medical use of cannabis (and remember that morphine is used in medicine, and is also an illegal drug which is very addictive). "

Yeah, and morphine is being used less and less because, guess what, it fucks up the patients. There are alternatives to cannabis that aren't as harmful and may or may not be as effective. As I said, with a prescription by a licensed physician, I don't have a problem with it. I'm pretty sure that a doctor knows more about it than I do. But unlicensed use of it just to get stoned, which is what everyone wants it for, medical validity regardless, ain't happening as long as I get a say about it.

"Sorry but I have to call bullshit; it is not physically addictive at all. "

It is physically addicting. I've had three physicians, a reformed pothead, and a current pothead confirm that for me. That's like saying tobacco or alcohol aren't physically addicting and I can quit any time I want to.

"This may or may not be the case but so what if the potency is increased. All it means is that for the people who smoke it they have to smoke less to get an equivalent high; this can only have positive effects meaning that less carcenogens, soot etc are inhaled into the lungs thusly less damage will be done over the long term. "

Yeah. They're gonna smoke less of it because it's more potent than what Cheech and Chong were smoking way back when. Right. Next the army is going to downgrade all their guns to 2mm because bigger bullets are overkill and wasteful of lead.