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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:54 am 
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I have my own thoughts about the matter, but I want to see other's opinions.

I've been sorting through a bunch of OC Remix stuff, and I've been looking at the reviews.

There is this godly Tetris remix that is as close to perfection as I have ever heard. While everyone loved it, they all said it was too long.

What gives. Why are we so inclined for little shots of 3 minite diddies when we used to be able to feast on hour long symphonies?


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I miss the days where a song could kick ass in two minutes.

But I'm a Greenday fas, so...

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^ Point and case

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Not really. I also can sing and enjoy Motzart's Requiem.

But if I want long techno remixes, I'll put 'em on repeat.

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uh, MTV. shortening of attention span. look it up.


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You'll note that since the 1950's or so, music has been incredibly commercialized and refined(Of course, prior to that it was commercial but around then marks the shift to the current system we're in). Music has become a sort of spare time, passive hobby; we listen to a track or two of something on the way to work, etc.

I have nothing else to add, really. Just that it's been like that for a while.

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Think about what happens when you try to make someone listen to a piece of music that's really kickass.

You put it on....

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30 seconds later it's either "wtf did you bring me in here for?" or "OK, cool, can I go now?"

No one can simply listen to music anymore. It has to be done while doing something else. Reading a book, reading the forums, coding, making a cake, sitting on the can, making a cake while sitting on the can, never alone.

I don't know why. But just is.

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I agree. But it depends on the sort of music... I can put on a Sigur Ros or This Mortal Coil or (most any) classical CD and just listen, can't really do that too well with most 'normal' bands.

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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
No one can simply listen to music anymore. It has to be done while doing something else. Reading a book, reading the forums, coding, making a cake, sitting on the can, making a cake while sitting on the can, never alone.

Actually, I find it quite hard to multitask when I listen to music. When reading or writing anything I feel is important I don't listen to music, cos it just distracts me.
As a result I very occasionally have music on.


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I have some music, but most of my harddrive is used to temp store anime before I burn it.

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I love just lying back and just listening.

I play music while doing other things to help me concentrate, but nothing beats just listening and focusing on the music itself.


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It's strange that musicians/publishers are reluctant to release songs which are considerably longer than three minutes long because the two songs most widely held as the best songs ever made (Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody & Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven) are both double that length. But then I guess Joe Public just doesn't have the attention-span to listen to more than 3 minutes of music from one artist :/

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I think that has more to do with what radio stations will play than what the average person is willing to listen to. I'm sure you've heard at least one song cut to "Radio Length" because it was longer than the average song spot.

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Many pop radio stations, any clearchannel pop one I've heard, so I assume its universal to them, raise the frequency of a song a bit to shorten them so they can claim to have more music in an hour. It drives me nuts, because it makes it all high pitched.


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Most of the songs i like tend to be longer. It also seems that longer songs also seem to be more instrumental. Maybe I just like it when artists shut up and make music not puke out horrible lyric for the sake of making another song.

As for the tetris song, its too long because its a techno remix of 2 lines of electronic blips. If you want good techno songs of length you should look up aphex twin, orbital (some), vnv nation, or dare i say vangelis.

Song length vs how good it is depends mostly on the content for me. If the song is finished and there is no more song left to play, then it should end and not repeat the same thing 20 times. If there is enough song to sustain then it should by all means be longer. This is why i can listen to a 20 minute greatful dead song that has three lines of vocals sung once or twice three times in a row before i get tired of it, and hardly stand a 5 minute techno tetris remix.

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Actually, as my music teacher told me in High school, the reason songs are so short for the most part is because it makes them easier to dance to. Sure, back in old times people would have fancy balls to long classical pieces, but dances were more rigidly structured back then, slower and less frantic than dances today. You never saw people jumping up and down to beating drums. So now we cut specific songs shorter so that people can break when they need to rest.

Also, with the advent of lyrics to music other than hymns to God and things like that, it's harder to keep a song interesting for more than a few minutes. If you keep adding lyrics, you're likely to get either repetitive or unfocused. You get your point across better if you make the song shorter. Longer songs are usually characterized by long guitar solos, either between two main sections of the music or between verses. Only one I can think of that's good and doesn't rely on long guitar solos is American Pie by Don MacLean, but don't tell me I'm leaving things out, because I know there's more.

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but your average dance techno song is pretty damn long usually 6-20 minutes, maybe she meant that songs are shorter so the performers can rest. and whats wrong with a guitar solo?

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arwing wrote:
and whats wrong with a guitar solo?


Absolutely nothing ^_^

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it just occured to me that this is why I don't like most new (pop emo etc.) music that you hear on the readio. The entire lack of guitar solos. It seems that i can trust a band to actually mean what the sing if they throw in a little music for the sake of music, not just pack it full of insincere lyrics for the sake of selling the persoality of the artist/band.

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Also remember, in the days of Mozart, you went to a hall to listen to his music, so a long(er) song made more sense. You were paying for a good show, and it's hard to convey emotion properly in short bursts.

Now, one turns on the radio for a few minutes in between doing things, while driving, or whatnot.

More cynically, having shorter songs means more songs can be played on the radio per hour, meaning more artists can hawk their wares in a shorter time, leading (maybe) to higher record sales as Joe Average generally only buys songs that get a lot of airtime.

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