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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:17 pm 
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A topic in Unrelated made me think of this, so I'm going to throw it out here:

What is hate to you? Is it something tangible, or one of thise things that exists but you can't quite put into words?

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hate is a real thing. It isn't tangible 'cause it's hard to touch an emotion, but it definently exists. As I said here, however, it isn't worth it.

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Hatred, like any other feeling, is simply that; what you feel. They're gifts, and powerful motivators. But, the trick is not to let them tear you away from goals you've set for yourself. Or something.

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Hatred is the emotion I experience when I consider modern society.

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hatred is not so much an emotion as it is a feeling that stays inside you beyond any particular instance or event. Anger is an emotion; hate is a feeling. However, only once or twice have I ever truly hated, and I regretted it. Hatred is so unnecessary nowadays.

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There are people that I hate, but it manifests itself as my not ever contacting them. It's a mutual thing - stay away from me and there will be no bad feeling between us, but with a knowledge on both parties that distance must be maintained.

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I'm going for more along the lines of do you know why you hate someone. I've had people say to me "I hate so and so because. . ."

To me that "Because" moves your feeling from hatred to a dislike. It may be the greatest dislike on earth, but not quite pure hatred. I interpret hatred as a dislike so great and so basic that there is no way to actually put into words what has caused it.

There is one person that I can honestly say I hate, and whenever I think about the person, a rage wells up inside of me. No words, just a rage and this feeling of wanting to reach out and tear something completely apart.

I don't know why I hate the person (or can't remember, it's been about 7 years since i would voluntarily talk to them), it's just an automatic and involuntary reaction to them.

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Proin, incase you were not aware this is Debate Club, the emphasis on Debate added by myself. This is not randomly post whatever the fuck is in my head at the time club, which is what you are treating it as. Now please don't post at all if you're not going to post anything pertinant to the discussions at hand.

Edited to mention that this is in reference to a post by Proin which was deleted by myself. Consider it mentioned.

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Rubi wrote:
What is hate to you? Is it something tangible, or one of thise things that exists but you can't quite put into words?

Most likely, "hate" is a broad category of human experience, which has physical existence as particular patterns of neural and chemical interactions at molecular or possibly quantum level, which like most large categorical definitions is somewhat vague, but the manifestations of which are statistically similar enough in different humans at different times that we are able to attach a reasonably consistent label to it. Of course, the reductionist description of it is rather unwieldy and impossible to fill in the details of without far more advanced technology than what we currently posses, so we tend to think in terms of the experiential qualities of it rather than the underlying phenomena.

Yes, that's my real definition of it.

Useless for everyday purposes of course, but at least it's accurate :) No use having labels unless you're going to realize their limitations, I always say.

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Err... *looks at moniker* Hot diggity!

Hate, besides being me, is also a strong feeling of disdain where you refuse to acknowledge any redeeming qualities of whatever/whoever this emotion is directed to. This emotion is often very irrational, but that is usually the case with all emotions. Hate is different from simply disliking something because you are willing to disregard your feelings for something you dislike depending on the situation. For example:

-I dislike jalapeno peppers on my pizza. But if I'm sharing a pizza with a friend who likes jalapeno, then I'm willing to bend a little and just pick it off my slice. It leaves an okay flavor in the sauce anyway.

-I hate pineapples on my pizza. I will not concede to sharing the bill for a pizza with pineapples. I don't want to pick it off. I don't want it there at all. I get nasty evil thoughts when someone even suggests ordering pizza with pineapples. I start wishing his or her parents had an abortion while pregnant with that person in order to help rid the gene pool of people with the inclination of combining pizza and pineapples. I start fantasizing about burning the establishment that would dare put this abomination on the menu. I start...well, you get the idea.

As to why people hate? I dunno. Its an an emotion and it's usually irrational.


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I've never hated someone, so i don't know if i can really explain why i would hate them. I've felt extraordinarily hurt in such a way that i wished to lash out with extreme violence, but i don't call that hate.

A lot of people say that hate is the opposite of love, but i don't really think that's true. Hate and love are on the same side of the coin. Their opposite is indifference. A complete lack of emotion. Whenever i've seen anything that i've thought could be even akin to a real hate, not just an extreme dislike, it's almost always seemed to stem from a love that's gone sour.

People divorce and suddenly they can't stand each other. It stems from the fact that they once really loved each other and suddenly the fantasy was gone. A person seeks revenge desperately for a wrong they felt was committed to them. Say...someone close to them died. They're love for that person soured into the hate they feel for this other person who caused their death.

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Darkened Abyss wrote:
A lot of people say that hate is the opposite of love, but i don't really think that's true. Hate and love are on the same side of the coin. Their opposite is indifference. A complete lack of emotion. Whenever i've seen anything that i've thought could be even akin to a real hate, not just an extreme dislike, it's almost always seemed to stem from a love that's gone sour.


A lot of people say that they're the same thing. I guess this is the portion where we can actually debate on something, or at least discuss two opposing opinions.

First off, hate is an intense emotion. These are many ways of defining an emotion. I want to focus on this specific definition:
[quote]emotion, term commonly and loosely used to denote individual, subjective feelings which dictate moods. In psychology, <b><u>emotion is considered a response to stimuli that involves characteristic physiological changes—such as increase in pulse rate, rise in body temperature, greater or less activity of certain glands, change in rate of breathing—and tends in itself to motivate the individual toward further activity</b></u>. Early psychological studies of emotion tried to determine whether a certain emotion arose before the action, simultaneously with it, or as a response to automatic physiological processes. In the 1960s, the Schachter-Singer theory pointed out that cognitive processes, not just physiological reactions, played a significant role in determining emotions. Robert Plutchik developed (1980) a theory showing eight primary human emotions: joy, acceptance, fear, submission, sadness, disgust, anger, and anticipation, and argued that all human emotions can be derived from these. Psychologists Sylvan Tomkins (1963) and Paul Ekman (1982) have contended that “basicâ€

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Hatred, eats away at the body, it eats away at the mind. An old wives tale is to never go to bed angry, I don't remember why, probably it'll screw with your dreams or make you wake up in pain. I don't remember. With hatred, I'm reminded of a quote from Yoda, "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." I believe that to be true.

I've never hated anyone, I really don't understand it.[/quote]


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