Jasper: :)
Thank you for your kindness, grace and words of encouragement. I appreciate your honesty and candidness, as well as your fair-handedness.
Boss:
The entire purpose of 'pointing out holes' was only to point out how my own philosophy, though it too has 'holes' to some ways of thinking, might be just as logical. My body of evidence is some scripture, logic, and science, however it seems irrelevant to you, and I'm sorry for that, but apparently our views of reality just cannot mix.
Tossrock: :(
I'm sorry that you feel that nothing from the Bible, my source of belief, is admissable evidence, especially concerning the nature of God, which is the ultimate point on the question of evil, or the 'Epicurean Paradox', if you prefer. If that is so, then there is no reason for further discussion on the matter as nothing either I or you can say will move the matter one way or the other. Thank you for your honesty and for challenging my beliefs, it's refreshing and good to go over such things again. Nonetheless, Jasper is correct: please be civil, or there can be no dialogue.
Omipotent Entity:
I owe you a public apology for publicly criticizing and questioning your credentials. When you first questioned me, I responded in kind, and I'm sorry, I was wrong. I would be interested, but do not require, your sources of study: interested because I like this kind of information, but unrequired because I don't wish to insult you further.
Destroyer_of_ants:
There is a passage in Revelation, I believe, referencing the White Throne judgement of those who never had the opportunity to hear of Jesus. There is a great amount of debate on what this judgement is, and how it works. There are also many references to Jesus loving children, and using them as examples, claiming that we had to become like them (pure and innocent) in order to come to the kingdom of heaven. Many use these arguments, as well as others, to show that those who are murdered in such a manner go to heaven. Myself, I cannot fully state with certainty one way or the other, though I have leanings toward 'they are innocent', as I've seen evidence both ways, but I believe in God's justice, and trust Him in His decisions, one way or the other.
Wrin: 8)
As far as I can tell Biblically speaking, your interpretations are correct. However, your secondary opinion is also generally backed up by the scripture. Those who destroy any kind of life wantonly for no reason other than love of killing are considered cruel and evil (immoral).
In General:
I am not, have not been, and would not attempt to prove evolution false. Instead, I've attempted to present a reasonable alternitive. Apparently this is taken as a militant action on my part against evolutionary theory, as well as a political one. This reaction is rather confusing, because to me, I was not attempting to start this, yet others obviously have taken it this way.
Again, let me reitterate:
my goal has never been to destroy or otherwise negate evolution. I do not believe in it, but this does not mean I'm 'out to get' evolution or disprove it.
My goal is, and has always been, to show the logic and reasoning behind my own beliefs. If that has threatened you or made you feel hurt in any way, I apologize... but my beliefs stand, as does my reasoning.
Finally:
Currently, this seems to be shaping up to be a flame war, or at least a time of bruised egos and/or feelings. I apologize that I let it reach this stage and blame myself at least in part. I am not conceeding the debate, but instead suggesting a time off of it. I will gladly continue to answer questions to the best of my ability, if they are asked of me, and I will continue to frequent the debate forum. I do not think that this topic should be locked, as it's produced some interesting conversation and questions.
Any further questions posted to debate creation/evolution on this topic will be ignored by me, as it is obviously a very sensitive subject for a number of people, and they are emotionally invested in it.
I recommend to all those who think I am trying to undermine evolution to re-read my statements and attempt to understand it from my point of view, as I believe I have now understood it from yours. If I am wrong, PM me, and I will again attempt to understand you. Please do not flame, as this is what I am trying to avoid. Any flames will be deleted and ignored, as they are neither civil, nor useful in any form.
Edited for my own forgetfulness and my lack of grace with words. And to add emotes, because they're cute.