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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:22 am 
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How about a concise (one paragraph) statement of your beliefs and the point of this argument. You know, something like:

I think evolution is a lie and want to dissprove it.

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I think centuries old thought on evolution is a lie and somehow ended up painted as a creationist; however I do agree with modern evolution.

Wading through your text isn't exactly a party. Let's see the bare bones.

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ack! :o

Sorry for dissappearing on you guys, leaving you without any response. I'm having a couple of difficulties with Internet time, and I won't be able to respond much for a bit more, but to be quick:

Radio:
Yes, PNDE is PE (without the ND in the middle). The reason I've been using the longer title (instead of 'Punctuated Equilibrium') is because, to the best of my understanding, the theory is named "Post Neo Darwinian Evolution" whereas the theoretical mechanism is named "Punctuated Equilibrium". I admit that, in this instance, I may be mistaken. It's possible that both names are proper names for the theory, however, I was taking Punctuated Equilibrium (PE) as the mechanism, and Post Neo Darwinian Evolution (PNDE) as the proper theory title. I apologize for any misconceptions and miscommunication that might have caused.

Further, although I admit it wasn't as clear as it could be, by 'primate' I didn't mean 'monkey', but simply 'primate', as in 'an undiscovered prior link in the genetic chain'.

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Me? If I laid out a 'concise' statement of my belief it would be: "the Bible". However, if you're asking me to explain what I am trying to do on this thread: clarify a statement made in another, explain my own beliefs (while attempting to get others to explain their own) and show that, while my beliefs are not science (and cannot be) they are logical, in that, it makes a certain amount of internally consistent sense to believe as I do, as opposed to seeing my beliefs as stupid.

This was my actual reason for the first thread (when I became a part of it after it moved to the debate club) which is now gone, but the reason for this second thread is to specifically show this in a light of evolution based around a solitary statement that I made in the previous board that recieved no end to criticism. In other words, in retrospect, I think I created this thread out of arrogance and vanity (according to modern connotation, not original denotation).

So: sorry. For confusion, dissappearing, and then coming back in only a moment with few answers for anyone. Between weddings, births, work and school, it'll be maybe another month (I know you're crying, but buck up! No tears, please! :wink:) before I can continue the dialogue (which was always my goal as opposed to actual debate), so... see you guys when I can.

Oh, and Gazing Rabbit:
While you have some points, there is evidence to counter them. (insert bunch of stuff that was pretty much a rabbit trail... er,no pun intended
:oops: ). Nonetheless, in this instance ptlis is correct. (Please note that I disagree with evolution, but for other reasons).

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Oh look, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1747926,00.html">more evidence to support the theory of evolution</a> (and a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik">Wikipedia article</a> with more information).

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Hey, look - here's <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/04/19/fossil.snake.ap/index.html">evidence that snakes <em>evolved</em> from lizards</a>. If evolution doesn't occur how do you explain the presence of a sacrum?

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ptlis wrote:
Hey, look - here's <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/04/19/fossil.snake.ap/index.html">evidence that snakes <em>evolved</em> from lizards</a>. If evolution doesn't occur how do you explain the presence of a sacrum?

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hmm whats my opinion on darwins evolution theory, judging from my uberly hairy legs Im defenately having monkey as my great great great great great great great great great or not so great grandfather

I cant really pride in having read so much about all these theories and everything but in this kind of friendly "common" level discussion as a beleiver of God I dont want to think or actually, no, I dont beleive we are coming from monkey at all its quite stupid idea actually

How could I then "proof" that we are not from monkeys, I think when comes to science, only the recent debated theory is valied and in this human coming from monkey theory there is still the missing link to breach the gap of monkey and neanthertal or whatever (sorry dont remember exactly how you write it) human, Im not even very sure that those other neanthertal humans has anything to do with us

Looking at how things are working arounding scientific things I dont have much faith in them, I beleive more in common sense, that is why I could never invent a space shuttle :confused: and am not even meant to, people have different purposes in life and for some people its good for them to rationalise things in coherent blocks which they can easily pass on as information to the next person who is interested in it

I can try to debate but I dont know if I have enough valid information to be able to debate this meaningfully, being beleiver of God Im already "not valied" in the ideology of darwinism because mine way of seeing the world and human in entity is based on book of God and not based on book of human

(a new topic of debate is looming here)

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egets wrote:
hmm whats my opinion on darwins evolution theory, judging from my uberly hairy legs Im defenately having monkey as my great great great great great great great great great or not so great grandfather

I cant really pride in having read so much about all these theories and everything but in this kind of friendly "common" level discussion as a beleiver of God I dont want to think or actually, no, I dont beleive we are coming from monkey at all its quite stupid idea actually

How could I then "proof" that we are not from monkeys, I think when comes to science, only the recent debated theory is valied and in this human coming from monkey theory there is still the missing link to breach the gap of monkey and neanthertal or whatever (sorry dont remember exactly how you write it) human, Im not even very sure that those other neanthertal humans has anything to do with us

Looking at how things are working arounding scientific things I dont have much faith in them, I beleive more in common sense, that is why I could never invent a space shuttle :confused: and am not even meant to, people have different purposes in life and for some people its good for them to rationalise things in coherent blocks which they can easily pass on as information to the next person who is interested in it

I can try to debate but I dont know if I have enough valid information to be able to debate this meaningfully, being beleiver of God Im already "not valied" in the ideology of darwinism because mine way of seeing the world and human in entity is based on book of God and not based on book of human

(a new topic of debate is looming here)


Please offer more than base opinion next time.

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Rusty wrote:
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hmm whats my opinion on darwins evolution theory ...


Please offer more than base opinion next time.

Since you're new, I'll point out the <i>reason</i> it's important for you to do more than just state your opinion. In this board, we want to discuss the hows and the whys of things. If you post and say <i>"egets doesn't believe in evolution"</i>, then all we know is that egets doesn't believe in evolution -- which doesn't say much. On the other hand, if you say <i>"egets doesn't believe in evolution because A then B then C"</i>, we can discuss A, B, and C.

Also, could you please take the time to run your posts through a spell checker? I appreciate that English may not be your first language, but that only makes it more important to do so. Besides showing courtesy to us, your audience, a well written post is a convincing post. Spelling and grammar errors only detract from your argument.

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but come on my post was not that bad, I think is perfectly understandable, and I did not only state that I dont beleive in darwinism but was trying to analise why

could you in turn be more elaborate as well in what exactly do you mean in terms of showing me actual samples in a manner of:

instead of writing:

so and so so

you should try to write:

that and this and that

pretty please ? :wink:

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egets wrote:
but come on my post was not that bad, I think is perfectly understandable, and I did not only state that I dont beleive in darwinism but was trying to analise why

No, it wasn't. Your entire point was that people coming from monkeys was "stupid." You didn't bring up a single actual point against evolution.


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