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The statement "all porn is evil" is morally and intellectually equivalent to the statement "All (straight) sex is rape." I.e., it holds water like a sieve. First, they're absolute statements, which are the most brittle of all, being smashed to smithereens by the existence of just one counter example. Just one happily married, sexually healthy couple writing and producing their own home porno devoid of objectification and debasement, each member of the couple acting on their own accord bloows both of them out of the water.
Yes, that's what I was saying was wrong with
your summation of the reasons for your preference of hentai in your initial statement.
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As for the objectification of women in the mind of the consumer of either real life porn, hentai, or prose is a matter between the consumer and his (or her, admittedly) own mind, and that is an area my principles steadfastly refuse to allow me to legislate. I hold all people responsible for their own thoughts and actions. The producers of smut are blameless for the attitudes and actions of the poor beknighted souls who fiew their fiction and believe it to be reality.
Here we stray into the debate on media influence in the lives of pre-teen, teens, the impressionable and the niave. Honestly? I don't feel like debating this. I'm stoned off my face and know what I object to in the portrayl of women in any medium and I think most people here know what it is given my recent penchant for re-defining the closed circuit of media advertising as medium of open dialogue between previously non-connected parties. Or in less pretentious terms 'writing on things with marker pens and spray painting posters at 2am'.
I simply addressed the idea in answer to your proposed idea that hentai is better than real pornography because of the negative effects on the participants in the latter. Whereas it may be up to the consumer to take away their own message from any provided source it's important to remember that some people for whatever reasons cannot in fact derive the "correct" and "adjcted" view point on an outside influence. And therefore surely some responsibility does therefore lie with the creator of the media. However this is an ethics debate and could spiral endless around a point that is not in fact the main on presented in this thread.
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But, at the end of the day, moderation is the key. Everyone has to take their hand out of their pants eventually, go out and interact with possible sexual partners face to face, and I don't mean by video conference. Too much porn or any kind isn't healthy.
And I suppose too much masturbation isn't a good idea either? I hate to bring into play that possibly in these times of disease and protracted adolescnece etc that sometimes porn and self gratification may be prefered by a number of individuals. And if this is the case, who are we to object with their idea of normalicy?
Also Rusty, a very good point. And the one I was trying to make to some extent.
And if any of this is miss-spelled or makes no sense I don't care. I can't even focus properly on the screen right now. Let alone tell what the hell I'm saying.[/i]