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I'm still in the phase of not having enough porn (from any kind) to download, that I download everything I find.

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Wait. How the fuck can you have no porn?
The internet is composed of nothing but porn.

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I used to masturbate to hentai, but since having actual sex, and having a nice library of video-real-life-porn so generously donated by TSC, I'd have to say that I like giving the minge a good rub to real-chick pron much better. Lemon-writings aside, that is.

Hentai gets a bit too wierd for me. Tentacles bug me. Rape bugs me. Tentacle rap bugs me. Explosive spoo bugs me. That, and every hentai girl looks like her boobs were inflated with water. Too huge and too bulbous. Smaller boobs get me off.

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Tentacles bug me. Rape bugs me. Tentacle rap bugs me. Explosive spoo bugs me.

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That, and every hentai girl looks like her boobs were inflated with water. Too huge and too bulbous.

Thats what all Japanese girls would look like if they actually had boobs.
Everyone knows physics and human biology work differently in Japan.
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Smaller boobs get me off.

Thats just your latent pedophillia talking.

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I'm definitely not a pedo. :stare:

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Wait. How the fuck can you have no porn?
The internet is composed of nothing but porn.

They are all after me hard earned monies the bastards *waves fists in rage*.

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Too huge and too bulbous. Smaller boobs get me off.


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Oh wow, oekaki. I had forgotten about those things. Wonder what it'd be like now that I have a tablet.


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I prefer normal porn because it's generally less weird. When you download hentai, you don't know what you're letting yourself in for. There could be tentacles, there could be dickgirls, there could be raving psychopathic demons and blood, and if I wanted that kind of unpredictability Id talk to real women.

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And thats exactly what makes hentai so fun.

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There could be tentacles, there could be dickgirls, there could be raving psychopathic demons and blood, and if I wanted that kind of unpredictability Id talk to real women.


Da dun-chh

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Hentai is better than real porn because in hentai no real women were debased and exploited to produce it. the girls get to just sit fully clothed in a nice sound booth and record their lines and SFX rather than get screwed, in usually more ways than sexually.

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I'm begining to resent the implication being made here constantly that there are no woman who ENJOY and derive PLEASURE from shooting porn films because obviously they do NOT exist becase they're GIRLS.

Also that only WOMEN are negatively effected by porn because MEN DO NOT HAVE FEELINGS.

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I made no statements about men, nor about the consumers of porn, in any way.

Do women derive pleasure from viewing porn? From personal experience, yes. Are men exploited to produce porn? By the preponderance of the stuff that's churned out every yea-- mon-- nanosecond, statisticly, they must be. Two words: Stunt Penis.

I'm not arguing those facts. Just that in the preponderance of porn that is produced, as I perceive it, unless you're an above-the-title name working through one of only a handful of "reputable" porn studioes, most porn actors are women (read: girls, young and impressionable) who are not in porn because that's their chosen career field, but because they reached the ends of their respective ropes and that was what they perceived as their only remaining recourse. It's like sexual day-labour. Just one microscopic notch above outright prostitution. They're just getting paid by a different guy than the owner of the dick they're sucking.

There is more and more porn being written, produced, and directed by women, so I'm sure that they're sensitive enough toward their actors to evoke performances grounded in genuine enjoyment. Am I saying that men are incapable of same? No. just that I would lay my money on an actor (male or female) genuinely enjoying their porn shoot with women behind the camera than with men. Is that sexist of me? Yes. Yes it is.

I used to be visual enough to get into porn, straight or lesbian (I was never able to get into gay porn), but now all I see is sexploitation and it just turns me right off. But I know that with Hentai (or actually more erotic still, erotic literature) is just pictures drawn on celluloid or text typed on a page. No one, men or women, had to get naked and debase themselves for money to produce it. Well, no more debasement than any demeaning but family-friendly, labour might be. And I refuse to believe that gay-for-pay actors and actresses aren't being debased. I'm sure moaning, "Oh yeah, harder, more!" into a studio mic is still pretty debasing. Plus, with prose, I can let my imagination draw the pictures, and they're always better than what any animator can put on a screen.

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I was neither directing my comments at you personally in any way or qestioning the existence of exploitative pornography. But to argue that hentai is better because than real all porn because of the exploitation present in some of the porn is a flawed argument.

My comment came after yours certainly but was more in response to the general statement that all porn is EVIL and therefore this why hentai is morally superior.

Although, on that point I must object and point out that the subjegation of women as sexual opbjects just because the "women" being debased are in fact not real. They are still the representation of women and what is seen as acceptable behavior or urger towards them. This is still an attitde modifying medium.

It's six of one half a dosen of the other in relation to this argument.

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The statement "all porn is evil" is morally and intellectually equivalent to the statement "All (straight) sex is rape." I.e., it holds water like a sieve. First, they're absolute statements, which are the most brittle of all, being smashed to smithereens by the existence of just one counter example. Just one happily married, sexually healthy couple writing and producing their own home porno devoid of objectification and debasement, each member of the couple acting on their own accord bloows both of them out of the water.

As for the objectification of women in the mind of the consumer of either real life porn, hentai, or prose is a matter between the consumer and his (or her, admittedly) own mind, and that is an area my principles steadfastly refuse to allow me to legislate. I hold all people responsible for their own thoughts and actions. The producers of smut are blameless for the attitudes and actions of the poor beknighted souls who fiew their fiction and believe it to be reality.

But, at the end of the day, moderation is the key. Everyone has to take their hand out of their pants eventually, go out and interact with possible sexual partners face to face, and I don't mean by video conference. Too much porn or any kind isn't healthy.

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But aren't stories degrading as well? People don't get exploited, but I assure you if people actually took things like the "Cherish Valley" series to heart, there'd be some pretty big issues to deal with.

I'd say that if one should have any problem with porn (whether it's live action, animated, or whatever), it should lie in people taking things far too seriously. In the porn producers who feel that they should debase men and women, in the shitty pay and questionable sexual histories (Because OMG I'M A MAN AND THEY WANT ME TO DO A PORN WITH THIS HOT CHICK BUT I HAVE HERPES, THANK GOD IT'S IN RECESSION). It's in the way the Monzetsu manga series shows women being fucked in manners that would normally hurt like a motherfucker, yet they love it. It's in the way a portion of the gay/bi community loves the prospect of getting AIDS, and giving it to the people stupid enough to sleep with them; chasing some strange sexual rush, through lust tinted glasses. In the way that stories about forcefully modifiying people to be sexual objects are plastered all over the internet.

The point I'm trying to make here is that no matter what, exploitation is going to happen. It's part and parcel to the human condition. The trick is that you're not going to change it short of destroying a very large chunk of humanity- and even then, it will be there (Just in less pronounced forms).

I say, personally, they're different names for the same thing.

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The statement "all porn is evil" is morally and intellectually equivalent to the statement "All (straight) sex is rape." I.e., it holds water like a sieve. First, they're absolute statements, which are the most brittle of all, being smashed to smithereens by the existence of just one counter example. Just one happily married, sexually healthy couple writing and producing their own home porno devoid of objectification and debasement, each member of the couple acting on their own accord bloows both of them out of the water.


Yes, that's what I was saying was wrong with your summation of the reasons for your preference of hentai in your initial statement.

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As for the objectification of women in the mind of the consumer of either real life porn, hentai, or prose is a matter between the consumer and his (or her, admittedly) own mind, and that is an area my principles steadfastly refuse to allow me to legislate. I hold all people responsible for their own thoughts and actions. The producers of smut are blameless for the attitudes and actions of the poor beknighted souls who fiew their fiction and believe it to be reality.


Here we stray into the debate on media influence in the lives of pre-teen, teens, the impressionable and the niave. Honestly? I don't feel like debating this. I'm stoned off my face and know what I object to in the portrayl of women in any medium and I think most people here know what it is given my recent penchant for re-defining the closed circuit of media advertising as medium of open dialogue between previously non-connected parties. Or in less pretentious terms 'writing on things with marker pens and spray painting posters at 2am'.

I simply addressed the idea in answer to your proposed idea that hentai is better than real pornography because of the negative effects on the participants in the latter. Whereas it may be up to the consumer to take away their own message from any provided source it's important to remember that some people for whatever reasons cannot in fact derive the "correct" and "adjcted" view point on an outside influence. And therefore surely some responsibility does therefore lie with the creator of the media. However this is an ethics debate and could spiral endless around a point that is not in fact the main on presented in this thread.

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But, at the end of the day, moderation is the key. Everyone has to take their hand out of their pants eventually, go out and interact with possible sexual partners face to face, and I don't mean by video conference. Too much porn or any kind isn't healthy.


And I suppose too much masturbation isn't a good idea either? I hate to bring into play that possibly in these times of disease and protracted adolescnece etc that sometimes porn and self gratification may be prefered by a number of individuals. And if this is the case, who are we to object with their idea of normalicy?

Also Rusty, a very good point. And the one I was trying to make to some extent.

And if any of this is miss-spelled or makes no sense I don't care. I can't even focus properly on the screen right now. Let alone tell what the hell I'm saying.[/i]

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I'm begining to resent the implication being made here constantly that there are no woman who ENJOY and derive PLEASURE from shooting porn films because obviously they do NOT exist becase they're GIRLS.

Also that only WOMEN are negatively effected by porn because MEN DO NOT HAVE FEELINGS.


You may be right, but this thought patern might suggest that the over welming majority do have this situation.

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I'm begining to resent the implication being made here constantly that there are no woman who ENJOY and derive PLEASURE from shooting porn films because obviously they do NOT exist becase they're GIRLS.

Also that only WOMEN are negatively effected by porn because MEN DO NOT HAVE FEELINGS.


You may be right, but this thought patern might suggest that the over welming majority do have this situation.


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