nick012000 wrote:
Winter wrote:
nick012000 wrote:
The only time abortion is justified is if failing to abort would result in the death of the mother. This falls under the 'self defense' clause I mentioned above. Other than these (very rare) situations, however,
What about in cases of rape or incest? Would you force a woman to raise the child of a man who raped her? What if that man was, for instance, the woman's father?
She doesn't have to raise it. She can put it up for adoption the instant she gives birth to it, and never see it again. Why punish the child for the sins of the father?
Says you. Apparently you haven't noticed, but forced childbirth has been a tool of oppression of women for centuries. Adoption is not a solution,
it is part of the problem. White, healthy children are extremely valuable--particularly to certain sects of Christians who want or need to use adopted (or otherwise acquired) children in order to pass on their "name" and philosophies to the next generation. Witness the phenomenon of "snowflake children" (if you watched Bush's press conference: that's who those kids were) and similar.
Furthermore, sometimes giving a child up for adoption is impossible. Sometimes the damage will have been done by the time the woman gives birth. Don't forget, also, that a child who is born is technically custody of both parents--what happens in a situation where a father repeatedly impregnates his daughter and forces her to raise the subsequent children? Abortion, in that instance, isn't necessarily a safe solution either--but it's another option.
And so on, and so on.
Are you really prepared to condemn
every such situation?
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krylex: This was directed at Cathy, but I'll answer your question anyway. Yes, it is wrong for her to have an abortion. If she wants to avoid responsability for her actions...
And yet, just a second ago, weren't we talking about situations where
the woman did not take any actions, yet ended up pregnant anyway? This whole "women who want abortions are just irresponsible" idea is bullshit. Sometimes that's what's going on, but sometimes it's not.
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Is it okay for a poor person to murder someone for money? Of course not. Same principle.
Actually, yes it is. (Well, in some places.)
If a person is attempting to break into my home i am, in many circumstances, justified in killing that person to death under US law. Even if that person was only after money.
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...Sure, you can't choose to fly by flapping your arms in the air. This invalidates free will how, exactly? Whether or not the action is impossible or not, you can choose still choose to try. You'll just fail miserably (and possibly with either comical or tragic results).
Once again, missing the subtlety of my argument.
You can choose to flap your arms all you want, but you won't fly. You can't "will" matter into existence, or even attempt it.